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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8243839" data-attributes="member: 6704184">No, that wouldn’t be rational. A scientist created a monster that required the Avengers as a whole to defeat. If Tony wasn’t an Avenger, he still would have all the tools needed to make Ultron, and the same trauma potentially leading him to think he needs to do so. And even if we ignore that, and we rationally cannot, it certainly wouldn’t outweigh all the threats that are in no way created by superheroes that require superheroes to addressThe point isn’t weakened at all by how governments are failing their people after the fact. They are two wholly separate things.   More on Zemo, and the idea that the Avengers killed his family. If I drive a car normally, at the speed limit, in normal conditions, it having undergone normal upkeep, and a defective axle or other part causes the front right wheel to fly off and hit someone, killing them, it is absurd to claim that I am responsible for that death. Tony and Bruce built an AI to run a defensive system to help defend against a second alien invasion. Had it not gone pretty damn randomly haywire, it would have helped immensely with Thanos.   There was no reasonable expectation for them to know that an AI based on Jarvis would come out a psychotic murder-bot.</blockquote>