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<blockquote data-quote="Indaarys" data-source="post: 9168720" data-attributes="member: 7040941"><p>The thing is though that sometimes people <em>are</em> genuinely misrepresenting what you said and arguing against that misrepresentation. </p><p></p><p>But what should happen when its pointed out, though, is that questions must be asked, and they need to demonstrate they're actually trying to follow what was actually said. </p><p></p><p>This becomes a problem when people for whatever reason refuse to go back and reread a topic. I personally do this all the time precisely because internet discussions and debates quickly get unwieldy and its good to go back and refresh on what exactly is even being talked about. </p><p></p><p>But not everyone does that, and I'd argue the ones that absolutely should be doing so, but don't, are often the ones that get people piping up with strawman accusations. It isn't fair to the speaker to expect them to constantly reiterate an entire conversation for any random person who interjects when said random refuses to read the topic for its context, and then goes on to just keep arguing rather than asking questions. </p><p></p><p>And re: Oberoni, this one tends to get thrown around inappropriately because a lot of people don't seem to know the difference between seeking help and complaining.</p><p></p><p>Ie, someone will post a "question" regarding some issue and how they post it will set up an expectation that they want an answer that will resolve that issue. </p><p></p><p>So people come along and in many cases, Rule Zero is often an efficient fix to resolve the issue, and get you back into the game.</p><p></p><p>But then comes the reply, and suddenly thats not what the poster wanted. What they actually wanted was to just complain. They already know theres no non-Rule Zero solution, and they for whatever reason decided to frame their complaint as if they didn't already know this, while simultaneously asking people to give solutions. And now we've got an argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Indaarys, post: 9168720, member: 7040941"] The thing is though that sometimes people [I]are[/I] genuinely misrepresenting what you said and arguing against that misrepresentation. But what should happen when its pointed out, though, is that questions must be asked, and they need to demonstrate they're actually trying to follow what was actually said. This becomes a problem when people for whatever reason refuse to go back and reread a topic. I personally do this all the time precisely because internet discussions and debates quickly get unwieldy and its good to go back and refresh on what exactly is even being talked about. But not everyone does that, and I'd argue the ones that absolutely should be doing so, but don't, are often the ones that get people piping up with strawman accusations. It isn't fair to the speaker to expect them to constantly reiterate an entire conversation for any random person who interjects when said random refuses to read the topic for its context, and then goes on to just keep arguing rather than asking questions. And re: Oberoni, this one tends to get thrown around inappropriately because a lot of people don't seem to know the difference between seeking help and complaining. Ie, someone will post a "question" regarding some issue and how they post it will set up an expectation that they want an answer that will resolve that issue. So people come along and in many cases, Rule Zero is often an efficient fix to resolve the issue, and get you back into the game. But then comes the reply, and suddenly thats not what the poster wanted. What they actually wanted was to just complain. They already know theres no non-Rule Zero solution, and they for whatever reason decided to frame their complaint as if they didn't already know this, while simultaneously asking people to give solutions. And now we've got an argument. [/QUOTE]
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