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<blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 7902960" data-attributes="member: 7015558"><p>I actually read the "cease to be a devil" part as it becomes something else, rather than remains a devil.</p><p></p><p>And we do know that devils can survive being "changed." Graz'zt was once an archdevil who served Asmodeus, but after leading an invasion into the Abyss, decided to remain and become an independent demon lord.</p><p></p><p>So Graz'zt changed from a devil to a demon; he did not cease to exist. Just as how Zariel, if the right conditions are met, can become a celestial again in Descent to Avernus.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, it does seem theoretically possible that a devil could be redeemed and become a celestial (Zariel does do this, but she of course was a celestial originally).</p><p></p><p>I would say that because souls are essentially currency in the Nine Hells, it is designed to stop souls from leaving the realm, much like a very protectionist economy. So the redemption of souls is something devils actively try to prevent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Urriak Uruk, post: 7902960, member: 7015558"] I actually read the "cease to be a devil" part as it becomes something else, rather than remains a devil. And we do know that devils can survive being "changed." Graz'zt was once an archdevil who served Asmodeus, but after leading an invasion into the Abyss, decided to remain and become an independent demon lord. So Graz'zt changed from a devil to a demon; he did not cease to exist. Just as how Zariel, if the right conditions are met, can become a celestial again in Descent to Avernus. Anyway, it does seem theoretically possible that a devil could be redeemed and become a celestial (Zariel does do this, but she of course was a celestial originally). I would say that because souls are essentially currency in the Nine Hells, it is designed to stop souls from leaving the realm, much like a very protectionist economy. So the redemption of souls is something devils actively try to prevent. [/QUOTE]
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