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Fallen Celestials and (the lack of) Ascended Fiends
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<blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 7903480" data-attributes="member: 6801226"><p>One other thing to think of is that conjure celestial has the limitation that "It obeys any verbal commands that you issue to it (no action required by you), as long as they don’t violate its alignment." So if you are an evil cleric (or bard), it isn't very useful unless you have fallen celestials to fill the position. </p><p></p><p>Summon greater demon and summon lesser demon don't have as flexible rules. Therefore there is less need for ascended demons, because a good caster wouldn't get any advantage from summoning them.</p><p></p><p>Infernal calling is in between; it has "It obeys the command if the likely outcome is in accordance with its desires, especially if the result would draw you toward evil." Arguably an ascended devil could work with good PC's "in accordance with its desires", but you would also have to deal with "especially if the result would draw you toward evil." Besides, unless you specifically called an ascended devil, would you really trust a devil that acted "good"? It is probably a trick.....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaTarrasque, post: 7903480, member: 6801226"] One other thing to think of is that conjure celestial has the limitation that "It obeys any verbal commands that you issue to it (no action required by you), as long as they don’t violate its alignment." So if you are an evil cleric (or bard), it isn't very useful unless you have fallen celestials to fill the position. Summon greater demon and summon lesser demon don't have as flexible rules. Therefore there is less need for ascended demons, because a good caster wouldn't get any advantage from summoning them. Infernal calling is in between; it has "It obeys the command if the likely outcome is in accordance with its desires, especially if the result would draw you toward[B] [/B]evil." Arguably an ascended devil could work with good PC's "in accordance with its desires", but you would also have to deal with "especially if the result would draw you toward[B] [/B]evil." Besides, unless you specifically called an ascended devil, would you really trust a devil that acted "good"? It is probably a trick..... [/QUOTE]
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