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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3340940" data-attributes="member: 4937">Indeed.  I submit that this is a false dichotomy too.I don't recall saying just how an outsider needs to be inhuman.  I just simply stated that its more interesting if they aren't merely people with wierd bodies.  As you point out, there are any number of ways we can achieve that. Furthermore, you failed to understand the argument I outlined completely if you think I suggested that demons and devils lack free will.Quite.When does incarnated wrath love?  When does incarnated hate love?  It is impossible for wrath and hate to love.  It is impossible for incarnated pain to feel joy.  If it feels joy, if its even capable of feeling joy, its no longer incarnated pain.That word you use - esoteric.  The lack of it is precisely my complaint.  I suppose sophistry is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, but well, in a word, "Yes."  You've read your Milton.  "Better to..."I find that at the least, there is alot of interesting points to ponder in not dismissing things simply because they are counterintuitive.  We live in a universe that functions in demonstratably counterintuitive ways.  It would hardly be surprising to find, that if the universe were created by some higher power, that it would function in counterintuitive ways as well.LOL.  You have every right to disagree.  If I didn't think anyone was going to disagree with me, I'd not bother posting, because no one would be learning anything and I would be wasting my time.  So disagree.  Disagree passionately if you have to.  There's a chance one of us would learn something, and that's the only reason to bother being here IMO.Sure.  I just wish people would put a little more thought in it.  Name dropping without the accompanying creativity is like vandalizing a great artwork in order to hang a bit of it over a urinal.   I'm a programmer by training.  In language as in programming, there is nothing worse than a null pointer - that description that seems to address something but turns out to hold only vacuity.  Ripping off a name that holds mythic power is more marketing than art if you don't respect the reason the name came to hold power in the first place.</blockquote>

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