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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GHammy26" data-source="post: 6831856" data-attributes="member: 6789682">It is vengeance that he has but we don't really pay attention to those things in our group...I was thinking of a minor quest for his church would be good, but I don't know what the church of Torm would ask of him.Yeah I agree and that's what i'll be doing but if he badgers me saying it was in the contract etc then I'll make him fallen. i remember in the 'return to the temple of elemental evil' game on the pc that your paladin becomes fallen if he partakes in a drinking contest which I thought was a bit overzealous, so tricking a lord whose town as recently been ransacked out of what wealth he has is definite grounds for the title of fallen. Also one of Torms rules is to respect your leaders etc, just goes well that he falls.  You read my mind exactly letting him know what he's done wrong and where he is going if he carries on down that path. As for the spells failing this mission I LOVE that idea, just having one fail randomly would be brilliant, it'd be sort of a foreboding feeling too.I've figured out the process of making him fallen and the points he'll have to cross before he is fallen.What quest or for of repentance would a fallen paladin of torm have to do to get back in his good graces?He's thinking about forming his own adventuring company, i was thinking about the celestial being letting him keep the gold to set up his company but it would have to be a charitable/non-profit company... Thoughts?</blockquote>

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