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<blockquote data-quote="Marius Delphus" data-source="post: 53470" data-attributes="member: 447"><p><strong>Naughty Ex-Paladin!</strong></p><p></p><p>IMC, a fallen paladin loses every "special" ability, period (including all three examples DocM mentions above), and becomes unable to gain any more paladin levels. Additionally, the paladin's mount, if one had been called, flees, never to be seen again; also, the paladin can no longer use the extra abilities of a <em>holy avenger</em>. Ex-paladins keep, at a minimum, their BAB, HD, skills, proficiencies, feats, saving throw bonuses, and level-based attribute score increases (if any). If I forgot anything, they also keep anything else that's not a "special ability" granted by the paladin class. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>IIRC, fallen 1E and 2E paladins were retroactively converted into fighters, but I'm fairly sure that's not what's intended by the 3E rules. For instance, in the Blackguard PrC description in the DMG, the table concerning fallen paladins (the "11+" entry) says, in effect, that there's a net benefit to exchanging paladin levels for blackguard levels because, though you still <strong>have</strong> paladin levels, you're not getting any of your former special abilities out of them (extra blackguard granted powers aside), so you might as well trade them in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marius Delphus, post: 53470, member: 447"] [b]Naughty Ex-Paladin![/b] IMC, a fallen paladin loses every "special" ability, period (including all three examples DocM mentions above), and becomes unable to gain any more paladin levels. Additionally, the paladin's mount, if one had been called, flees, never to be seen again; also, the paladin can no longer use the extra abilities of a [I]holy avenger[/I]. Ex-paladins keep, at a minimum, their BAB, HD, skills, proficiencies, feats, saving throw bonuses, and level-based attribute score increases (if any). If I forgot anything, they also keep anything else that's not a "special ability" granted by the paladin class. :) IIRC, fallen 1E and 2E paladins were retroactively converted into fighters, but I'm fairly sure that's not what's intended by the 3E rules. For instance, in the Blackguard PrC description in the DMG, the table concerning fallen paladins (the "11+" entry) says, in effect, that there's a net benefit to exchanging paladin levels for blackguard levels because, though you still [B]have[/B] paladin levels, you're not getting any of your former special abilities out of them (extra blackguard granted powers aside), so you might as well trade them in. [/QUOTE]
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