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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5872006" data-attributes="member: 9037">It is not just the surrendering, and believe me if I want the PCs to surrender they will find these archers are more powerful then them, its the whole metagaming thinking that goes on. I have heard players say we can't tackle this it is to high a level for us. Or the mob of over 100 can't hurt us because we are 10 level and the most they can be is third.Hey the King is most likely a 4 level noble we don't have to listen to him we can kick his butt. DnD seems to encourage this kind of play and it is something I don't really like. Sure I could play a different system but I hate with a passion Rolemaster because it has too many tables and takes forever to get through combat it is like playing a strategy wargame.I have the old boxed set of Runequest and I enjoyed it but it has things in that make it at least to me setting specific.I have tried GURPS and Fanasty Hero but I don't like that you have to create everything from scratch. I want the work done for me and I want to be able to find adventure paths and modules written that I can slide into my game when needed and I have never found that with GURPS or Hero system.I would love to find a system like say Shadowrun for generic fantasy.</blockquote>