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<blockquote data-quote="SageMinerve" data-source="post: 5872808" data-attributes="member: 69067">1) Since when being a demigod a requirement for being an epic-level threat?2) You know there's a whole range of epic levels, right? We might argue about Sauron being low 20s, mid 20s, high 20s; the fact is that they're all epic levels, and I sincerely think that painting Sauron as a Paragon-level threat is a misrepresentation, especially considering:3) Sauron was a Maiar, the highest and most cunning servant of Melkor/Morgoth, so IMO there's no doubt that if you consider the First Age/Silmarillion era as being epic, than Sauron HAS to be an epic threat. That remains true until he makes the One Ring in the 2nd Age, where he becomes even more powerful.There's no doubt that his death (when Numenor is sunk) and the loss of the One Ring were a severe blow to him; I'd probably remove a few levels off him (how many levels is hard to say without knowing exactly his &quot;best&quot; level and how much of his Essence he put in the Ring).As for the argument that he's only a &quot;lingering remnant&quot; of a demigod, I'd say that if it were so, then:1) Saruman wouldn't have been so terrified of him;2) Any of the Wise (The elven Ring bearers, the Wizards, etc.) could have confronted Sauron directly. It clearly isn't the case.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SageMinerve, post: 5872808, member: 69067"] 1) Since when being a demigod a requirement for being an epic-level threat? 2) You know there's a whole range of epic levels, right? We might argue about Sauron being low 20s, mid 20s, high 20s; the fact is that they're all epic levels, and I sincerely think that painting Sauron as a Paragon-level threat is a misrepresentation, especially considering: 3) Sauron was a Maiar, the highest and most cunning servant of Melkor/Morgoth, so IMO there's no doubt that if you consider the First Age/Silmarillion era as being epic, than Sauron HAS to be an epic threat. That remains true until he makes the One Ring in the 2nd Age, where he becomes even more powerful. There's no doubt that his death (when Numenor is sunk) and the loss of the One Ring were a severe blow to him; I'd probably remove a few levels off him (how many levels is hard to say without knowing exactly his "best" level and how much of his Essence he put in the Ring). As for the argument that he's only a "lingering remnant" of a demigod, I'd say that if it were so, then: 1) Saruman wouldn't have been so terrified of him; 2) Any of the Wise (The elven Ring bearers, the Wizards, etc.) could have confronted Sauron directly. It clearly isn't the case. [/QUOTE]

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