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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5874774" data-attributes="member: 957">Huh?You listed Bond, Skywalker, and Indianan Jones.In the movies Bond comes *closest* to what you claim here.  But he still avoids deadly situations.  And as an avid Bond fan, I'd point out that in the Flemming books it is a running cliche that he doesn't expect to live.  When he dives in he completely expects that he WILL DIE, but he is able to accept that and accomplish the goal of the moment.  Then through luck and sheer badassness he comes out alive.  And as a *reader* you are not surprised.  But the character is very much surprised to be alive.  So, yes, when he is at the open door of the airplane, he doesn't hesitate.  But not hesitating to accept death as a consequence is radically different than presuming his hero status will keep him alive.For Skywalker the entire trilogy has a theme of him overcoming fear.  He is constantly afraid.  Particularly as you get to RotJ there are situation in which he knows that he can survive because of his Jedi powers.  So that isn't the same.  I'm perfectly ok with D&D heroes knowing they can easily live through certain things that could kill ME in a split second.  But the standard you are embracing here is drinking a carboy of poison.  That is still deadly.  Any time Luke faces something deadly he shows a great deal of fear.And Jones is simple.  He is practically the opposite of Bond.  He flees from scary situations all the time.  It is only when he is trapped between a rock and a hard place that he goals full on and finds away through.  Again, the people in the theater seats know he will live.  But the people in the theater seats also know that Jones DOESN'T know he is going to live.  And knowing that dichotomy between what Jones thinks and how it is going to work out is actually a big part of the fun of those movies.  If the audience thought that Jones had some kind of third wall awareness of his immunity to actually getting killed, the movies would suck.No.  What YOU just described REALLY is the essence of that slanderous term ROLLPLAY.What you described is pure mechanics and predestination.What you described is actively avoiding being inside JONES or BONDS head and having those thoughts but is instead inside the audience members head having those thoughts and metaknowledge that the characters can and should never ever have.Roleplay is about being inside the role with the knowledge, experiences and fears of that guy.  That is absolutely NOT what you have described.Possibly.  I don't know that I'd concede that.  But for sake of argument, ok.And I'd still call that orders of magnitude short of "god".</blockquote>

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