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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5877602" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Jameson Courage - your idea would only work in D&D if we ejected scaling hit points in favor of something like Savage World's wound system. As it stands, a dragon has 100+ HP and an AC in the stratosphere and damage potential to match.</p><p></p><p>It's not that the PC's can kill the dragon. That's not really the issue. It's that the PC's can stand in front of the dragon, trading blows for several rounds. That's the issue. In order for the mooks to be able to threaten the PC's, they have to have a chance of hitting and a damage output comparable to the dragon (or whatever big arsed monster you want to name). </p><p></p><p>If the mooks have an attack bonus that cannot reasonably hit the PC's, deal out individual damage that is more or less ignorable by the PC's, then they are never, ever going to be a credible threat to those PC's.</p><p></p><p>Housecats, while capable of harming 1st level wizards and peasants, really can't hurt a 10th level character. Even a dozen cats can't. The scale is the same for mooks and high level PC's. The mooks just can't hurt the high level PC's. </p><p></p><p>Now, you have a couple of choices here. You can simply roll with it and go on. Or you can change the mooks into credible threats. What you can't do is play the game by the book and expect a bunch of 3rd level warriors to present a credible threat to a 15th level party.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5877602, member: 22779"] Jameson Courage - your idea would only work in D&D if we ejected scaling hit points in favor of something like Savage World's wound system. As it stands, a dragon has 100+ HP and an AC in the stratosphere and damage potential to match. It's not that the PC's can kill the dragon. That's not really the issue. It's that the PC's can stand in front of the dragon, trading blows for several rounds. That's the issue. In order for the mooks to be able to threaten the PC's, they have to have a chance of hitting and a damage output comparable to the dragon (or whatever big arsed monster you want to name). If the mooks have an attack bonus that cannot reasonably hit the PC's, deal out individual damage that is more or less ignorable by the PC's, then they are never, ever going to be a credible threat to those PC's. Housecats, while capable of harming 1st level wizards and peasants, really can't hurt a 10th level character. Even a dozen cats can't. The scale is the same for mooks and high level PC's. The mooks just can't hurt the high level PC's. Now, you have a couple of choices here. You can simply roll with it and go on. Or you can change the mooks into credible threats. What you can't do is play the game by the book and expect a bunch of 3rd level warriors to present a credible threat to a 15th level party. [/QUOTE]
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