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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5877674" data-attributes="member: 57948">But it didn't make that much sense, imho. So fighting a 12 headed hydra is fair game, but fighting 12 bamdits with short swords is not. Same goes with fighting two manticores (who shoot 6 spikes each). Your hero can, at proper level, face and defeat 2 giant monsters with lion bodies and old man heads that shoot 12 spikes per turn, but he should die to 12 commoners who bought a crossbow.I guess you can build a game like that. But it really does not hold any sense.  That might be valid for a dragon's corner case. What about giants? Manticores? evil wizards?  The problem, then, is that you are looking into level 6 or less characters. Strider is level 6, not more. He could NOT defeat a Balor (balrog). Not even close. He could not even defeat a BABY troll on his own.  He needed a party, and they got beated in the process. He was able to scare a few nazguls, becouse he had a Plot Device to do so. If you want to see a high level warrior in Tolkien's books, what about Fëanor, who could defeat a platoon of Balrogs. Do you thing 20 orcs with crossbows could defeat Fëanor? Do you think 20 orcs with bows could have killed Glorfindel as they killed Boromir?The Song of Ice and Fire is even lower level. A single frozen zombie almost kill an entire garrison. A dragon would kill all the heroes in the novel, together. Sure they can't beat a group of guards. They couldn't beat a Manticore either.Conan defeat giant apes all the time. But dire apes are like CR 6 or so. Conan could not defeat an ancient Red Dragon, by any means.If you want to see high level fighters, those who can defeat dragons, hydras and demons, you should take a look to Cuchulain, Beowulf, Sigfrid, Hercules or Achilles. Those beat dragons, hydras and demons. But they can defeat a patrol of guards too. Cuchulain defeated an entire army once. Achiles did too (and he wasn't invulnerable by then). Hercules breached the walls of Troy and sieged the city alone, before they managed to calm his anger. THOSE are the equivalent of your 14th level D&D fighter.  If you want to reproduce the feeling of Lord of the Rings or Conan, I suggest you to use E6 rules, where the level advancement is limited to level 6. Because it really does not make any sense that a regular fighter can survive/dodge 12 spike shots from two manticores, but can't survive/dodge 12 goblins with shortbows. It does not make any sense that a fighter can survive a Wyvern's poisoned sting, but he can't survive a regular run-o-mill cup of poison.</blockquote>

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