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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5879011" data-attributes="member: 9037">That is epic level and I don't tend to run epic level unless I want that kind of game.I well aware that Hercules was an example of a fighter.Again there is nothing wrong with this style of play and there are times when I am fine because it fits by campaign.What I and others are hoping for are optional rules that allow us to plug in a more gritty style without having to resort to a different game or having to house rule the game to death.I am having trouble understanding why this concept really seems to be bothering people. No one is saying that the entire game should change to handle this. We agree that this is how DnD has been designed for years. We are not asking for scared cows to be killed we are asking for  a modular system with dials to allow a more varied way to play the game. And from what I am reading this is an idea that the designers themselves are toying with.  You want your 15 level fighter to jump off mountains and swim in lava and live then the rules should have a way to do that.I want my 15 level fighter to have a slim chance of survival if he jumps off a mountain or goes swimming in lava then there should e rules to do that too. If they really want a more inclusive game then this is one ay to do it.</blockquote>