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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5882729" data-attributes="member: 59506">I wasn't talking about just ordianary heros in that quote. I was mostly responding to one specific point: that the city guard couldn't defeat an ancient red wyrm. And Yes, I know it would be hard on the guards that are part of it, and most would die. Which is why I said: They only don't because the think they can't, or aren't willing to pay the price necessary. Ordianry Hero's are Heros that don't have supernatural or special abilities above any other common man. What they do have is the knowledge, and the audacity, to take on the challenges that others won't...and succeed. And we'll just have to agree to disagree about whether the guards can accomplish this or not. I'm not going to get into a debat involving specifics about a hypothetical fantasy scenario. What I will say, is that there is nothing that mankind can't accomplished when we put our minds and resolve to it. And if Ancient Red Wyrms were real, then that statement would be true concerning them also.   But really, why is this something you've chosen to debate? Why is it you want to nix the very idea of Ordinary Hero's? You may not be interested in them, wouldn't read a story about them, or play a game like this...but why do you feel the need to nullify the very idea...? Is it that you just don't want D&D to be played this way at all...? Is it you don't want the rules to support this even if it doesn't impinge upon your playstyle...? I just don't understand why your still continuing to argue against this...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></blockquote>

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