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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5883271" data-attributes="member: 57948">I already conceded that point. You could go as far as saying that regular LotR orcs are level 15, uruk hai are level 25 elite, mordor flies are level 30, and regular rats are level31 solo if you want. It wouldn't make a lot of sense, though, and claiming that a baby rock troll is CR 10 by D&D standards dont make any sense either. You could try and say so if all what you want is to find a lame excuse to keep saying that Aragorn is high level, just like you could go and say hunters are lvl 25 because all rabbits are level 25 as well (killer rabbits!)But, in all fairness, the rock troll is not a 20th level rogue. He can't became quasi-invisible with 30+ stealth, isn't incredibly well versed in backstabbing and is not described as having supernatural dexterity. It's a baby troll, which does NOTHING but hit and bash. He is not as strong as a D&D hill giant, and he has NOT any other ability beyond what a hill giant has. Sure, Tolkien could had described this baby troll as a fast, swift dextreous character with an awesome fencing technique, incredibly high sneaking skills and some lightning reflexes. But he didn't. He described it as a slow, hulking beast who was half-chained, using a crude club. By what he described, that baby troll is *at best* CR4 (in a 1-20 range), as a regular D&D troll. I'd say it's less than that, as regular trolls regenerate. Gimli is 139 years old when the Fellowship assemble. That's 52 years more than Aragorn. By your standard, Gimli should be epic level then. And let's not start with Legolas, son of Thandruil, who is probably in the thousands. Because it's background. If you use logic, as the elves learn just as fast as humans (they get the same XP once the game starts), any elf character with a background would be level 15 before the game starts, by human standards. Any elf with a military background has been fighting for decades.  Just to point, my interpretation is the base assumption of the game. For the same reason a group of Navy Seals are extremelly cautious when facing a group of Spetnaz, but extremelly confident when they face a group of somalian pirates. Just that exponentially more, because they are in a world where magic exists, including healing magic and raise dead.</blockquote>

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