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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5886083" data-attributes="member: 42582">I've played a lot of a game in which active defence is penalised by number of attacks - namely, Rolemaster.It's never been part of D&D, though, and I'd be a little surprised if D&Dnext puts it forward.But your model would have the same implications. If anything, your model has them even more strongly, because in your model (unlike my variation of Roger Musson's), surprise produces both all hits straight to wounds, and a reduction in AC (or, to flip it around, a significant bonus to hit against many builds of PC).Scry-buff-teleport - to get advantage of the surprise benefits, and also to exercise control over the ratio of attackers to defenders (so as to avoid the penalties for being swarmed) - becomes even more tactically superior!One thing I personally like about 4e is that it removes most of the incentives for scry-buff-teleport: teleporting is hard, scrying is hard, there is next-to-no buffing, and the mechanical benefits of ambushing are at best minor.</blockquote>