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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5886463" data-attributes="member: 177">Mod Note: Accusations of intellectual dishonesty are not attractive.  You might want to avoid them in the future.And, no, he isn't making things up.  The issue has been around a long, long time.  I remember an incident back in the 1e era. 2e hadn't been published yet...  Our party was in a dungeon, running from a Purple Worm.  The tunnel ended in a tens-of-yards wide pit, with a staircase running along the inside wall.  We all managed to dodge to the side onto the staircase, the worm did not.  The pit was terribly deep, and we were not at the bottom.  The rest of the party had various fast ways up, but I did not.  So, I began to march up the stairs.  Like, a quarter mile up of stairs.The last step, at the very top, was an illusion I didn't notice.  It was a half-mile and more to the bottom.  The bottom was, in fact, the first plane of Hell.  The DM grinned an evil grin, and picked up his 20d6, expecting a nice clean, old-school "you didn't see the trap, aren't you stupid!" kill.  But I was playing a high level ranger with a boatload of hit points.  I survived the damage.  I survived the system shock roll.We all sat staring at each other - how the heck did a guy survive falling over a half mile to pancake onto the first layer of Hell?  Collectively, we had to come up with an excuse to be able to make this fit our heads - I'd landed on the Purple Worm, and it's fleshy corpse had broken my fall - because otherwise it didn't make any darned sense at all!</blockquote>

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