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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fuzzlewump" data-source="post: 5050949" data-attributes="member: 63214">Yes! All my game! Stay away from it! I have both games, thank you, and though I don't want to play 3E anymore, I had much fun with it in its time. If you were wondering my point, it was that the particular issue the quoted poster had with 4E also exists in 3E. Hell, I still enjoyed casting Solid Fog every encounter, but did I feel creative and versatile? Not really. I stopped wasting rounds doing what I thought was 'interesting' after the first couple sessions and did what was most effective...which I suppose made it interesting, in that winning a combat sort of way.I really do wish that criticism of 4E variety, creativeness, versatility of casters, and that sort of thing, came with a more specific review of the rituals system. The argument that everyone can have rituals (with a feat) and therefore casters are not 'special' I think is synonymous with "I want to be more powerful/interesting/fun than martial characters, no matter what."Without a more specific review, I feel like people look at rituals, see a lack of "Color Spray" or any various spell with potent combat effects and short casting time, and say 4E killed the creative caster without evaluating what actually is there. Utility powers suffer the same fate, it seems.I feel without this specific review, criticism of the versatility of 4E casters is actually an argument against the potency of 4E casters, which could be harder to defend given the general agreement that 3E casters far outweigh the power of non-casters after a few levels.There are 34 Level 1 Rituals in 4E currently, according to the compendium. Here are a few:<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=75" target="_blank">Amanuensis</a>: copies writing from a source material to your own material. Possible use: transcribing literature from the forbidden library, or from the wall of the forbidden temple.<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=113" target="_blank">Fastidiousness</a>: keeps you completely clean. Possible use: while the rest of the party is covered in gore, maybe you should do the talking to the nobles.<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=50" target="_blank">Magic Mouth</a>: when conditions that were set are met, a message is spoken. Possible uses: Warn the captain of the guard of what you have found at the scene, while you continue the adventure deeper in the dungeon.<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=60" target="_blank">Tenser's Floating Disk</a>: hover disk!<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=101" target="_blank">Banish Vermin</a>: ward an area from rodents, insects and the like<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/ritual.aspx?id=40" target="_blank">Animal Messenger</a>: send an animal to deliver the messageNone of these pop out and say GET ME! like color spray(3E) or grease(3E) does, given their potency. But are they without utility, versatility, or interest?</blockquote>

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