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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5052242" data-attributes="member: 762">The problem is - only casters had this kind of versatility. Still do really, as a you could probably convince your DM to lock the door for a round or 2 with cantrip. I don't see this as magic being creative (after all it's not "creative" to lock a door, grease a floor, web a hallway etc. it's what the spells are meant to do). I see it as magic being more versatile which gives the mage a leg up on non-spellcasters. 4e chose to address this disparity; the solution is not for everyone but there was a definite reason for it. Mages can still do amazing things far above the ability of non-mages, but they take time to do it, meaning sometimes a non-magic solution is preferred or even necessary. And yes I have a bias here, I'm glad that the mages "six second solution" to nearly every problem is reduced in 4e.You mean someone actually has to swim down and pull him out, or get him out of his armor so he can pull himself out without using magic? The horror! Sorry couldn't resist, I just detest when magic becomes the solution to every problem in a game. IMO this limits creative thinking to a great degree rather than enhancing it.Mages have spells that can make or break a combat. Easy example, Evard's Black Tentacles, can take a fight versus multiple opponents from difficult to cakewalk as soon as it's cast. But forgetting that, the 3e mage can easily step on the toes of the rest of the party while minimally impacting his ability to do his own role - that, not "incredible power" is my issue.</blockquote>

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