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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9318192" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Re: The Vaults - I feel like they should have made them larger, but also by making them the size they did, they did make it very possible to limit the number of characters to a reasonable amount pretty easily. [ISPOILER]Vault 4 is more like the scale they should have been. Not all the way there but more like it. They're smaller in the games just because the tech limited them before 4 and 4 was then basically drawning from "tradition"[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Re: The BoS, [ISPOILER]I don't really agree that the BoS have consistently been more brotherly. I noticed you skipped 1 & 2 there. I feel like the issue is that 3 & 4 made the BoS waaaaaaaaaaay too nice, because the guys at Bethesda think the BoS is super-super-super cool and can only barely bare to make themselves not make the BoS into god's perfect angels, because any macho guys in power armour who love tech must be cool (given that's the sort of people Bethesda's leadership idolises). In 1 & 2 the BoS are wankers, like right wankers. Useful wankers, but wankers. In NV, I would personally suggest they're significantly nastier than 3/4, but YMMV, and Tactics, as I remember, and I am open to correction because I finished it but when it was released, so a very long time ago, they were pretty unpleasant and officious despite you being in the BoS. Their concept is fundamentally a kind of nasty one - because they want to acquire and control all pre-war tech, and have no qualms about killing and stealing to do that if necessary, something FO3/4 didn't eliminate but definitely played down significantly. The BoS of NV would also absolutely gun down any number of NCR troops for something like a cold fusion device. I thought the golf bags were hysterical, personally.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]Hank McClean (I think?) - a male character anyway - implied there was. Now he might have just been lying, but whoever it was specifically implied that. So Moldaver either took that approach or was cryogenically frozen somehow. I actually suspect the latter.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]Artistic licence.</p><p>[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]Doesn't The Ghoul specifically say to Hank "where are my wife and kid?!" or something to that effect? Am I misremembering? Which would suggest whatever happened, she and the mother are in the Vault, probably Vault 31. He was seemingly divorced and dishonoured in the eyes of Vault-tec so presumably not given entry to the Vault despite delivering Janey - also, she might not have even needed rad-away, realistically, but that's a long discussion of radiation. EDIT - Actually I could easily seem him just refusing to go in the Vault as a matter of principle.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]He's Enclave. They undoubtedly have access to all the records from the Vaults, and presumably some Vaults, like the 31/32/33 triad are reporting back to some main Vault-tec server. Likewise as a member of the Enclave he presumably knew about Moldaver (she is kind of in charge of the NCR) and had the means to contact her - he was clearly hiding a lot.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]Norm sure never acted like he had. He undoubtedly thought about it, but my money is 100% on Betty or another Vault 31 type.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]Now this is a really good question, because, when we thought Vault 31 had people in it, it was an easy answer - Vault 31. But now we know it doesn't, I think the unfreezing of buds has to be it - either that or Vault 31 people from Vault 33 sneaking out and doing it. There might be an entire "clean crew" of buds who are trained specifically for this scenario of course. I expect most of the buds will be Management, but like, there are a LOT of them, like a LOT so there are probably specialists and people willing to do honest hard work to keep things going among them. What confused me was why Norm didn't just threaten Bud - he could easily have flipped and smashed Bud, and then systematically smashed the cryostasis units - he might have died of starvation before he finished, but he might have got it down to a fine art by like, unit 30 or so, and got all of them. Maybe he will think of that next season.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]How so? It seems pretty clear. We know Vault 4 is a scientist-centric vault, where they experimented on humans. The nice family from the advert were the scientists who made the Gulpers - looks like they were like 20 years older - unclear if they were in cryostasis at all - some Vaults had it, some didn't, we know that, part of the experiments (I suspect they might have been given they had access to a bunch of cryostasis for the experiments later). So they made all the poor women pregnant with monsters, and had them in cryostasis, at which point the scientists got killed be a revolution of the people they'd been experimenting on (many of whom are likely related to those women), and the revolutionaries appear to have, at some point, opened the doors and gone exploring, and then when Shady Sands was destroyed, they let in a limited but significant number of refugees.</p><p>[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ISPOILER]It's Fallout - there are always going to be multiple ways to achieve horrible, horrible results! Presumably that's some kind of ghoul-making serum that the guy stole from a lab or something. It's very useful for short high-value cons, because he can pretend to cure people and scarper whilst they're still ultra-grateful - notably even days later there were no actual symptoms of being a ghoul beyond regeneration. So it's probably at least weeks for the nose to fall off and so on.</p><p>[/ISPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9318192, member: 18"] Re: The Vaults - I feel like they should have made them larger, but also by making them the size they did, they did make it very possible to limit the number of characters to a reasonable amount pretty easily. [ISPOILER]Vault 4 is more like the scale they should have been. Not all the way there but more like it. They're smaller in the games just because the tech limited them before 4 and 4 was then basically drawning from "tradition"[/ISPOILER] Re: The BoS, [ISPOILER]I don't really agree that the BoS have consistently been more brotherly. I noticed you skipped 1 & 2 there. I feel like the issue is that 3 & 4 made the BoS waaaaaaaaaaay too nice, because the guys at Bethesda think the BoS is super-super-super cool and can only barely bare to make themselves not make the BoS into god's perfect angels, because any macho guys in power armour who love tech must be cool (given that's the sort of people Bethesda's leadership idolises). In 1 & 2 the BoS are wankers, like right wankers. Useful wankers, but wankers. In NV, I would personally suggest they're significantly nastier than 3/4, but YMMV, and Tactics, as I remember, and I am open to correction because I finished it but when it was released, so a very long time ago, they were pretty unpleasant and officious despite you being in the BoS. Their concept is fundamentally a kind of nasty one - because they want to acquire and control all pre-war tech, and have no qualms about killing and stealing to do that if necessary, something FO3/4 didn't eliminate but definitely played down significantly. The BoS of NV would also absolutely gun down any number of NCR troops for something like a cold fusion device. I thought the golf bags were hysterical, personally.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]Hank McClean (I think?) - a male character anyway - implied there was. Now he might have just been lying, but whoever it was specifically implied that. So Moldaver either took that approach or was cryogenically frozen somehow. I actually suspect the latter.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]Artistic licence. [/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]Doesn't The Ghoul specifically say to Hank "where are my wife and kid?!" or something to that effect? Am I misremembering? Which would suggest whatever happened, she and the mother are in the Vault, probably Vault 31. He was seemingly divorced and dishonoured in the eyes of Vault-tec so presumably not given entry to the Vault despite delivering Janey - also, she might not have even needed rad-away, realistically, but that's a long discussion of radiation. EDIT - Actually I could easily seem him just refusing to go in the Vault as a matter of principle.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]He's Enclave. They undoubtedly have access to all the records from the Vaults, and presumably some Vaults, like the 31/32/33 triad are reporting back to some main Vault-tec server. Likewise as a member of the Enclave he presumably knew about Moldaver (she is kind of in charge of the NCR) and had the means to contact her - he was clearly hiding a lot.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]Norm sure never acted like he had. He undoubtedly thought about it, but my money is 100% on Betty or another Vault 31 type.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]Now this is a really good question, because, when we thought Vault 31 had people in it, it was an easy answer - Vault 31. But now we know it doesn't, I think the unfreezing of buds has to be it - either that or Vault 31 people from Vault 33 sneaking out and doing it. There might be an entire "clean crew" of buds who are trained specifically for this scenario of course. I expect most of the buds will be Management, but like, there are a LOT of them, like a LOT so there are probably specialists and people willing to do honest hard work to keep things going among them. What confused me was why Norm didn't just threaten Bud - he could easily have flipped and smashed Bud, and then systematically smashed the cryostasis units - he might have died of starvation before he finished, but he might have got it down to a fine art by like, unit 30 or so, and got all of them. Maybe he will think of that next season.[/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]How so? It seems pretty clear. We know Vault 4 is a scientist-centric vault, where they experimented on humans. The nice family from the advert were the scientists who made the Gulpers - looks like they were like 20 years older - unclear if they were in cryostasis at all - some Vaults had it, some didn't, we know that, part of the experiments (I suspect they might have been given they had access to a bunch of cryostasis for the experiments later). So they made all the poor women pregnant with monsters, and had them in cryostasis, at which point the scientists got killed be a revolution of the people they'd been experimenting on (many of whom are likely related to those women), and the revolutionaries appear to have, at some point, opened the doors and gone exploring, and then when Shady Sands was destroyed, they let in a limited but significant number of refugees. [/ISPOILER] [ISPOILER]It's Fallout - there are always going to be multiple ways to achieve horrible, horrible results! Presumably that's some kind of ghoul-making serum that the guy stole from a lab or something. It's very useful for short high-value cons, because he can pretend to cure people and scarper whilst they're still ultra-grateful - notably even days later there were no actual symptoms of being a ghoul beyond regeneration. So it's probably at least weeks for the nose to fall off and so on. [/ISPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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