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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9318245" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Definitely this is not true in the game lore - ghouls 100% were created by radiation, it's absolutely explicit and repeated lore - [ISPOILER]most humans just die from it, but an infinitesimal proportion become ghouls. It's more likely the inverse is true, i.e. the scientists found out about ghouls and thought they could "improve" on that, but just found a way to make more ghouls.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, your idea is correct and it's not even in question. Even the Bethesda games repeatedly explain this. There are other ways to become ghouls though - I think this is "future-proofing" in a sense, because otherwise pretty much all ghouls would be from exactly 2077.</p><p></p><p>Re: feral ghouls - they're common in the games - you always start sentient then most ghouls go feral in days or weeks, but some take decades or just never do - non-feral ghouls are still relatively common as of FO4. The games didn't have a [ISPOILER]liquid to control it - it's unclear from the show how long that liquid has been around for, but it seems like a while - perhaps it was only locally available in this part of California[/ISPOILER].</p><p></p><p></p><p>They're really small nukes, like very tiny[ISPOILER] - I know they look large, but none of them except maaaaaaybe the first one are Hiroshima/Nagasaki in size - the flashes are much weaker too - the first should have blinded them and burned their skin at that range, if it was as strong as Hiroshima. Thus the amount of gamma radiation they're emitting is probably going to be pretty limited - they're not hydrogen bombs and they're certainly not neutron bombs (which are a real thing), both of which emit a lot more hard radiation. The alpha and beta particles won't be a serious problem for like, minutes to hours. So given in minuscule size of those nukes (like the nearest one, was that even a kiloton? It looked maybe smaller than the conventional fertilizer explosion in Beirut a few years back and that was what, 0.5 KT?). I will say despite the size of the nukes, that was a <em>particularly</em> eerie nuclear bomb scene.[/ISPOILER]</p><p></p><p>The city-killers we have in our ICBM/SSBMs IRL are hydrogen bombs in the high dozens to many hundreds of kilotons, adjustable via how much deuterium/tritium is used - there's literally a mechanism to change it prior to detonation (and we have multiple ones per missile via MIRVs), and we've had (though I dunno if we still do) multi-megaton weapons (the largest ever detonated being 50 megatons, which was stupidly large even for the Soviets). So we have much, much nastier nukes than we saw deployed here. My guess is they had many more, much dirtier, much smaller nukes that we would use - perhaps hydrogen bombs were disfavoured for some reason (they're much much cleaner for the amount of destruction they cause - I can strongly recommend <em>Dark Sun: A History of the Hydrogen Bomb</em> if you're willing to read serious science along with fun anecdotes about the cold war and disturbing information about how awful nukes are).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct. And yeah that grainy short video was <em>by far</em> the most disturbing thing in the entire show for me.[ISPOILER] The nukes being the next.[/ISPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9318245, member: 18"] Definitely this is not true in the game lore - ghouls 100% were created by radiation, it's absolutely explicit and repeated lore - [ISPOILER]most humans just die from it, but an infinitesimal proportion become ghouls. It's more likely the inverse is true, i.e. the scientists found out about ghouls and thought they could "improve" on that, but just found a way to make more ghouls.[/ISPOILER] No, your idea is correct and it's not even in question. Even the Bethesda games repeatedly explain this. There are other ways to become ghouls though - I think this is "future-proofing" in a sense, because otherwise pretty much all ghouls would be from exactly 2077. Re: feral ghouls - they're common in the games - you always start sentient then most ghouls go feral in days or weeks, but some take decades or just never do - non-feral ghouls are still relatively common as of FO4. The games didn't have a [ISPOILER]liquid to control it - it's unclear from the show how long that liquid has been around for, but it seems like a while - perhaps it was only locally available in this part of California[/ISPOILER]. They're really small nukes, like very tiny[ISPOILER] - I know they look large, but none of them except maaaaaaybe the first one are Hiroshima/Nagasaki in size - the flashes are much weaker too - the first should have blinded them and burned their skin at that range, if it was as strong as Hiroshima. Thus the amount of gamma radiation they're emitting is probably going to be pretty limited - they're not hydrogen bombs and they're certainly not neutron bombs (which are a real thing), both of which emit a lot more hard radiation. The alpha and beta particles won't be a serious problem for like, minutes to hours. So given in minuscule size of those nukes (like the nearest one, was that even a kiloton? It looked maybe smaller than the conventional fertilizer explosion in Beirut a few years back and that was what, 0.5 KT?). I will say despite the size of the nukes, that was a [I]particularly[/I] eerie nuclear bomb scene.[/ISPOILER] The city-killers we have in our ICBM/SSBMs IRL are hydrogen bombs in the high dozens to many hundreds of kilotons, adjustable via how much deuterium/tritium is used - there's literally a mechanism to change it prior to detonation (and we have multiple ones per missile via MIRVs), and we've had (though I dunno if we still do) multi-megaton weapons (the largest ever detonated being 50 megatons, which was stupidly large even for the Soviets). So we have much, much nastier nukes than we saw deployed here. My guess is they had many more, much dirtier, much smaller nukes that we would use - perhaps hydrogen bombs were disfavoured for some reason (they're much much cleaner for the amount of destruction they cause - I can strongly recommend [I]Dark Sun: A History of the Hydrogen Bomb[/I] if you're willing to read serious science along with fun anecdotes about the cold war and disturbing information about how awful nukes are). Correct. And yeah that grainy short video was [I]by far[/I] the most disturbing thing in the entire show for me.[ISPOILER] The nukes being the next.[/ISPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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