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<blockquote data-quote="nyjm" data-source="post: 1549126" data-attributes="member: 18313"><p>For a Sorcerer's or Wizard's familiar: "Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher." (SRD).</p><p></p><p>This seems a little vague. Does that mean that as your character gains levels (and hit dice), your familiar also gains hit dice - and the concurrent bonuses of increased BAB, base saves, skill points and feats?</p><p></p><p>The player in me says: "Yes! The wording is a little vague, but BAB, saves, skill points and feats are all "effects related to number of Hit Dice."</p><p></p><p>The DM in me says: "No. For one thing, hit points are also "effects related to number of Hit Dice" and they do not improve normally. Also, there are companion creatures (the Druid's and Ranger's animal companions) that improve via Hit Dice and the entry for them is very clear: </p><p></p><p>"Bonus HD: Extra eight-sided (d8) Hit Dice, each of which gains a Constitution modifier, as normal. Remember that extra Hit Dice improve the animal companion’s base attack and base save bonuses. An animal companion’s base attack bonus is the same as that of a druid of a level equal to the animal’s HD. An animal companion has good Fortitude and Reflex saves (treat it as a character whose level equals the animal’s HD). An animal companion gains additional skill points and feats for bonus HD as normal for advancing a monster’s Hit Dice." </p><p></p><p>If the rules meant for a familiar to increase in power like a Druid's animal companion, they would have stated so.</p><p></p><p>Any thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nyjm, post: 1549126, member: 18313"] For a Sorcerer's or Wizard's familiar: "Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher." (SRD). This seems a little vague. Does that mean that as your character gains levels (and hit dice), your familiar also gains hit dice - and the concurrent bonuses of increased BAB, base saves, skill points and feats? The player in me says: "Yes! The wording is a little vague, but BAB, saves, skill points and feats are all "effects related to number of Hit Dice." The DM in me says: "No. For one thing, hit points are also "effects related to number of Hit Dice" and they do not improve normally. Also, there are companion creatures (the Druid's and Ranger's animal companions) that improve via Hit Dice and the entry for them is very clear: "Bonus HD: Extra eight-sided (d8) Hit Dice, each of which gains a Constitution modifier, as normal. Remember that extra Hit Dice improve the animal companion’s base attack and base save bonuses. An animal companion’s base attack bonus is the same as that of a druid of a level equal to the animal’s HD. An animal companion has good Fortitude and Reflex saves (treat it as a character whose level equals the animal’s HD). An animal companion gains additional skill points and feats for bonus HD as normal for advancing a monster’s Hit Dice." If the rules meant for a familiar to increase in power like a Druid's animal companion, they would have stated so. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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