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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hairfoot" data-source="post: 2610947" data-attributes="member: 23732">Hang on.  First you said...Then I offered some evidence to the contrary, and you wroteThe PHB doesn't specify which touch spells are eligible.  That's why the article mentions it.Perhaps I've misunderstood, but are you interested in a discussion about the possibilities of using familiars, or are you now caught up in contradicting anything I say, even if it means contradicting yourself?There's little point quoting the SRD when when I've already stressed that I'm looking at options outside the RAW.The magic missile example is perfect.  I'm talking about using a familiar in the room as the effective line of sight for a caster outside the room.  In a MM's line of effect it can go around cover, so it could around corners or over walls as long as the distance travelled is within medium range.In the case of fireball (or lightning bolt), that would be less effective, because the line of effect is always in a straight line from the caster.And that's the crux of it.  The question is whether an empathic link can reasonably pinpoint a location for targeting.  e.g. could the familiar tell its master which 10'x10' space to roll a flaming sphere into in a 100'x100' courtyard?  More iffy is whether the familiar could pinpoint individual creatures for something like the magic missile.I was thinking more of blasting spells, but modifying line of effect for others could be managed.  A caster can't say "I think I hear kobolds behind this door.  I cast sleep in the room I can't see".  But I'd accept a caster saying "my weasel's in there and can see monsters.  I'll see if he can give me a good-enough impression to throw sleep."The sleep spell has no form until it manifests as an effect, so I'd allow it to pass minor barriers, like door, but not a thick stone wall.  Fireball, however, exists as a pellet that shoots at the target, and wouldn't be eligible.Houserules like these have potential for abuse, so there would have to be penalties.  Concentration checks, lowered DCs, possible spell malfunction with the risk of targetting the familiar instead of opponents...I know it won't work under the RAW.  I'm asking for tips on how to implement it in a fair and balanced way.</blockquote>

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