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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8577993" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I think the complete opposite is true. Most people will go out of their way to kill rats and spiders and to a lessor extent snakes. There are entire sections in Lowe's and Home Depot devoted to the pursuit of ridding your property of them in a manner that could be called genocide. People pay good money for these things, a lot more than an arrow costs. Also FWIW I have shot snakes on my property with a shotgun, which is probably the most direct comparison to a bow and arrow. I have killed hundreds of mice or rats and probably tens of thousands of insects (with some spiders) through other methods. My cat has killed easily over 200 birds, rabbits, mice, rats and snakes in her lifetime.</p><p></p><p>Those kinds of familiars will be killed regularly, other familiars are going more likely be out of place most of the time. There is nothing normal about an owl or bat in my backyard (or anywhere) during the day or a hawk or strange cat in my kitchen EVER and in a world where such animals are the equivelent of a modern day spy drone they will be killed.</p><p></p><p>To use a familiar effectively as a scout it needs to be the knid of animal that would be "normal" in the situation you are using it for and at the same time not a nuisance animal that will be "killed on sight". That will be difficult to manage more often than not and will at a minimum require changing up your familiar regularly.</p><p></p><p>You might be able to use your hawk to scout the fields around the outsides castle, but that hawk is not going to be "normal" and will be WAY out of place when you have him fly in the window and look inside the castle proper. Against an astute observer it is not going to even be normal when it stops circling the field outside the castle and flys over the keep (since there are few field mice, quail or rabbits running around inside the courtyard) and if I had guards on the walls it would likely be a nature check to notice that "it is over the castle for some reason".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8577993, member: 7030563"] I think the complete opposite is true. Most people will go out of their way to kill rats and spiders and to a lessor extent snakes. There are entire sections in Lowe's and Home Depot devoted to the pursuit of ridding your property of them in a manner that could be called genocide. People pay good money for these things, a lot more than an arrow costs. Also FWIW I have shot snakes on my property with a shotgun, which is probably the most direct comparison to a bow and arrow. I have killed hundreds of mice or rats and probably tens of thousands of insects (with some spiders) through other methods. My cat has killed easily over 200 birds, rabbits, mice, rats and snakes in her lifetime. Those kinds of familiars will be killed regularly, other familiars are going more likely be out of place most of the time. There is nothing normal about an owl or bat in my backyard (or anywhere) during the day or a hawk or strange cat in my kitchen EVER and in a world where such animals are the equivelent of a modern day spy drone they will be killed. To use a familiar effectively as a scout it needs to be the knid of animal that would be "normal" in the situation you are using it for and at the same time not a nuisance animal that will be "killed on sight". That will be difficult to manage more often than not and will at a minimum require changing up your familiar regularly. You might be able to use your hawk to scout the fields around the outsides castle, but that hawk is not going to be "normal" and will be WAY out of place when you have him fly in the window and look inside the castle proper. Against an astute observer it is not going to even be normal when it stops circling the field outside the castle and flys over the keep (since there are few field mice, quail or rabbits running around inside the courtyard) and if I had guards on the walls it would likely be a nature check to notice that "it is over the castle for some reason". [/QUOTE]
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