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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5889085" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>Many people play that when a container is reduced, its contents go with it. Far be it from me to argue a house rule with a strict interpretationalist though, so we'll let that one stand.</p><p></p><p>In any case, a Portable Hole and/or Bags of Holding increase the carrying capacity by a factor of infinity: How many Portable Holes can one man carry? And note that while you can't put the bag in the hole, nor the hole in the bag, there are no restrictions on placing bags in bags, or holes in holes.</p><p></p><p>An 11th level Wizard can cast <em>Shadow Walk</em> and lead a small caravan of pack animals 500 miles a day, which means a trip from Italy to China takes 12 days or so. Call it two weeks. </p><p></p><p>And that spell doesn't include any size adjustment on the target creature count. Ant or Antelope, Elf or Elephant, each one counts as one. So at 11th level, you and 11 draft animals, with as much as they can carry. And since the spell doesn't actually mention a weight limit per creature, it can be their maximum load. Some would argue that it could include as much as they can drag, in which case you're dealing with a wagon train.</p><p></p><p><em>Teleport, </em>at 9th level (minimum caster level) takes you 900 miles a shot. Seven castings and you're in China, where you empty out your Portable Hole and begin trade.</p><p></p><p>In a few days or weeks, when you've sold your things and loaded up on relatively cheap exotic commodities, you pack up and return home. A few days in transit, but that's it.</p><p></p><p><em>Greater Teleport</em>, at 13th level, puts you back in the "several trips a day" category.</p><p></p><p>And like I said, we haven't even begun to discuss spells like <em>Wall of Stone </em>or <em>Fabricate.</em> </p><p></p><p>How about the ability of <em>Greater Creation</em> to create literally tonnes of counterfeit gold?</p><p></p><p>We hold the vision of the D&D world as a medieval counterpart, but it's not possible for it to stay that way when there's magic in the world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5889085, member: 6669384"] Many people play that when a container is reduced, its contents go with it. Far be it from me to argue a house rule with a strict interpretationalist though, so we'll let that one stand. In any case, a Portable Hole and/or Bags of Holding increase the carrying capacity by a factor of infinity: How many Portable Holes can one man carry? And note that while you can't put the bag in the hole, nor the hole in the bag, there are no restrictions on placing bags in bags, or holes in holes. An 11th level Wizard can cast [I]Shadow Walk[/I] and lead a small caravan of pack animals 500 miles a day, which means a trip from Italy to China takes 12 days or so. Call it two weeks. And that spell doesn't include any size adjustment on the target creature count. Ant or Antelope, Elf or Elephant, each one counts as one. So at 11th level, you and 11 draft animals, with as much as they can carry. And since the spell doesn't actually mention a weight limit per creature, it can be their maximum load. Some would argue that it could include as much as they can drag, in which case you're dealing with a wagon train. [I]Teleport, [/I]at 9th level (minimum caster level) takes you 900 miles a shot. Seven castings and you're in China, where you empty out your Portable Hole and begin trade. In a few days or weeks, when you've sold your things and loaded up on relatively cheap exotic commodities, you pack up and return home. A few days in transit, but that's it. [I]Greater Teleport[/I], at 13th level, puts you back in the "several trips a day" category. And like I said, we haven't even begun to discuss spells like [I]Wall of Stone [/I]or [I]Fabricate.[/I] How about the ability of [I]Greater Creation[/I] to create literally tonnes of counterfeit gold? We hold the vision of the D&D world as a medieval counterpart, but it's not possible for it to stay that way when there's magic in the world. [/QUOTE]
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