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<blockquote data-quote="Dinkeldog" data-source="post: 3592274" data-attributes="member: 195"><p><span style="color: Red">(Moderator mode) Lots of things to say here.</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p><span style="color: Red">1) No one really has a right to force, or verbally call out someone that puts an abbreviated post. Provided that this is not a perpetually thing or a postcount++ style continual annoyance, which the moderators look out for, allow that someone might be posting a quick comment in their 30-seconds or so browsing while at work or feeding the baby (which is also work--you try shoveling applesauce into a moving target).</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p><span style="color: Red">2) No one really has a right to force someone else to continually justify their opinions, or insist that their rating scale is the correct one. We're all individuals. I might consider a certain level to be a "7 or 8" while someone else considers that a "5 or 6". Uh, so what? This isn't world peace we're after--we're discussing things from our own points of view.</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p><span style="color: Red">3) If you disagree with someone, fine, they're opinions, not discrete facts. Let it go rather than chewing on something like a dog on a bone. Speak your peace and move on. Continually calling out other posters is not an endearing trait. Civility is the hallmark here.</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p><span style="color: Red">(Moderator mode off)</span> </p><p></p><p>Now, having said that, as a strictly personal aside (and noting that I won't get to see this for a few more days, probably), one might point out that "Citizen Kane", widely regarded as one of the finest movies ever made, if not the single best movie ever made rests entirely on a plot hole. With any movie made, there is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief (let's start with the plot hole that a burst of cosmic radiation wouldn't give astronauts superpowers, but instead leave them with lethal cases of radiation poisoning). There's an amount of deus ex machina going on in most movies. Insisting that a fantasy adhere to reality takes the power from the fantasy. While Aristotle might argue that things need to be plausible, or at least internally consistent, there's already a level of internal inconsistency with fantastic (heh, I made a pun) adventure movies. The end result of any fantasy, after all, is to use a condition that is impossible, or at least, highly implausible, to explore some aspect of the human condition in a new way. </p><p></p><p>Now, on my own rating scale, I might say a 7 or 8 is an enjoyable enough romp that isn't too campy (which nearly always annoys me) but doesn't reach a fundamental exploration of the human condition. An 8 or 9 gets to the exploration of the human condition, but doesn't go as far as I believe it could possibly go. (Edit: I put Spidey 3 here because I think that we reach a good exploration of Harry Osborn's character. On charitable days, I might say it's a "9", on less charitable days, I might go with an "8".) A 10 reaches new aspects in the exploration than I have ever imagined and makes me rethink my entire personal paradigm. You may not like my scale. If not, then please refer to #2 above. </p><p></p><p>Anything else that one might take an issue with in red above, I'll refer to e-mail or PM discussion--not for discussion in this thread, but the yellow is fair game. (Provided my Comcraptastic internet doesn't fail for another day and a half, I'll cheerfully discuss with you.)</p><p></p><p>Edit: The grammar! It burns us!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dinkeldog, post: 3592274, member: 195"] [COLOR=Red](Moderator mode) Lots of things to say here. 1) No one really has a right to force, or verbally call out someone that puts an abbreviated post. Provided that this is not a perpetually thing or a postcount++ style continual annoyance, which the moderators look out for, allow that someone might be posting a quick comment in their 30-seconds or so browsing while at work or feeding the baby (which is also work--you try shoveling applesauce into a moving target). 2) No one really has a right to force someone else to continually justify their opinions, or insist that their rating scale is the correct one. We're all individuals. I might consider a certain level to be a "7 or 8" while someone else considers that a "5 or 6". Uh, so what? This isn't world peace we're after--we're discussing things from our own points of view. 3) If you disagree with someone, fine, they're opinions, not discrete facts. Let it go rather than chewing on something like a dog on a bone. Speak your peace and move on. Continually calling out other posters is not an endearing trait. Civility is the hallmark here. (Moderator mode off)[/COLOR] Now, having said that, as a strictly personal aside (and noting that I won't get to see this for a few more days, probably), one might point out that "Citizen Kane", widely regarded as one of the finest movies ever made, if not the single best movie ever made rests entirely on a plot hole. With any movie made, there is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief (let's start with the plot hole that a burst of cosmic radiation wouldn't give astronauts superpowers, but instead leave them with lethal cases of radiation poisoning). There's an amount of deus ex machina going on in most movies. Insisting that a fantasy adhere to reality takes the power from the fantasy. While Aristotle might argue that things need to be plausible, or at least internally consistent, there's already a level of internal inconsistency with fantastic (heh, I made a pun) adventure movies. The end result of any fantasy, after all, is to use a condition that is impossible, or at least, highly implausible, to explore some aspect of the human condition in a new way. Now, on my own rating scale, I might say a 7 or 8 is an enjoyable enough romp that isn't too campy (which nearly always annoys me) but doesn't reach a fundamental exploration of the human condition. An 8 or 9 gets to the exploration of the human condition, but doesn't go as far as I believe it could possibly go. (Edit: I put Spidey 3 here because I think that we reach a good exploration of Harry Osborn's character. On charitable days, I might say it's a "9", on less charitable days, I might go with an "8".) A 10 reaches new aspects in the exploration than I have ever imagined and makes me rethink my entire personal paradigm. You may not like my scale. If not, then please refer to #2 above. Anything else that one might take an issue with in red above, I'll refer to e-mail or PM discussion--not for discussion in this thread, but the yellow is fair game. (Provided my Comcraptastic internet doesn't fail for another day and a half, I'll cheerfully discuss with you.) Edit: The grammar! It burns us! [/QUOTE]
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