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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 695192" data-attributes="member: 6533">Yeah,&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As I said earlier I think the next evolution for the societies really depends on the Cressians ability to capture and integrate a large section of Jongans.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If that happens I can easily see the Cressians developing a metal culture, but otherwise I think they're kind of screwed.&nbsp; Metal culture is really hard to develop without trade or cultural exchange on a pretty massive scale.&nbsp; Once you've got it development is fairly easy, but the basic principles are very hard to develop or even acquire.&nbsp; And there is the issue of whether or not the Cressians even have access to the proper ores.&nbsp; Ironwood looks like an increasingly attractive alternative.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; At this point I do have a couple of questions/observations.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; It seems to me that the Jongans are a lot less isolated than the Cressians.&nbsp; What happens with regard to the rest of their international relations as they suddenly become increasingly changed by conflict with the Cressians?&nbsp; &nbsp; I mean when the Knossians or what not show up at the Jongan island and see that the ports are all inland and the forests are all burned down they'd be stupid not to take advantage of the situation by either aiding the Jongans or contacting the Cressians.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If there are other nations the Jongans are at war with then that goes double.&nbsp; When fewer Jongan raiders show up, that's when you begin contemplating a counterattack or at least building your own navy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 695192, member: 6533"] Yeah, As I said earlier I think the next evolution for the societies really depends on the Cressians ability to capture and integrate a large section of Jongans. If that happens I can easily see the Cressians developing a metal culture, but otherwise I think they're kind of screwed. Metal culture is really hard to develop without trade or cultural exchange on a pretty massive scale. Once you've got it development is fairly easy, but the basic principles are very hard to develop or even acquire. And there is the issue of whether or not the Cressians even have access to the proper ores. Ironwood looks like an increasingly attractive alternative. At this point I do have a couple of questions/observations. It seems to me that the Jongans are a lot less isolated than the Cressians. What happens with regard to the rest of their international relations as they suddenly become increasingly changed by conflict with the Cressians? I mean when the Knossians or what not show up at the Jongan island and see that the ports are all inland and the forests are all burned down they'd be stupid not to take advantage of the situation by either aiding the Jongans or contacting the Cressians. If there are other nations the Jongans are at war with then that goes double. When fewer Jongan raiders show up, that's when you begin contemplating a counterattack or at least building your own navy. [/QUOTE]

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