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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 724900" data-attributes="member: 6533"><p>Hmmm, I think the Centaurs work pretty well as a man on a well trained horse should be a fairly high CR in the first place and I am willing to accept a Centaur with dimished abilities. I think we need to account for the differences in combat created by fantasy races eventually and the Centaurs are a good opporunity to do so without sending us into the realm of night attacking orcs or what not.</p><p></p><p>Historically, nomadic empires have always felt the need to reorganize their military into semi-permanent formations. They do this in order to preserve the advantage of nomadic mobility and flexibility while keeping themselves prepared against incursions by civilized foes or vassal uprisings. Persians, Medes, and Mongols all did this. The huns kept a fairly normal nomadic culture but they also didn't try to rule anyone. I modelled the Tamarchs off of the Mongol system, but they could work during any period as they are basically big well organized and supported camps. Tamarchs also serve as schools and means to create a loyal 'middle class' out of cashed out veterans. Each Tamarch would operate with a great deal of autonomy and be allowed to participate in small scale conquest and looting in addition to defensive work.</p><p></p><p>While I agree that the Jinns won't be that great at siege warfare, each Tamarch can probably only pull off one good siege at a time, but the Mongols were actually very adept at siege warfare having learned a great deal from their conquests. Recall that it was the Mongols who took down the unassailable fortresses of the old man of the mountains. Siege units were elite units, however, and they were very rarely present in the forces that the Mongols sent to the west which is where their reputation for poor sieges comes from. The Persians and Medes were also very adept at sieges. </p><p></p><p>Sorry about the golems thing, I was thinking more along the lines of animated objects and servitors not the hulking combat machines we all know and love.</p><p></p><p>I may be operating under a misconception vs. the Jinn, early on in the thread I thought we were discussing the Jinn as a very very large empire bordering on strange peoples we had not even discussed as well as the Cressians. If we are considering a much smaller people than this scale certainly won't work. But if we are thinking on that scale then I see the Tamarch as the military formation the Cressians are most likely to face. Should the Cressians manage to repulse it when they face it, for what ever reason, than they will likely see no further threats from the Jinn for sometime.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 724900, member: 6533"] Hmmm, I think the Centaurs work pretty well as a man on a well trained horse should be a fairly high CR in the first place and I am willing to accept a Centaur with dimished abilities. I think we need to account for the differences in combat created by fantasy races eventually and the Centaurs are a good opporunity to do so without sending us into the realm of night attacking orcs or what not. Historically, nomadic empires have always felt the need to reorganize their military into semi-permanent formations. They do this in order to preserve the advantage of nomadic mobility and flexibility while keeping themselves prepared against incursions by civilized foes or vassal uprisings. Persians, Medes, and Mongols all did this. The huns kept a fairly normal nomadic culture but they also didn't try to rule anyone. I modelled the Tamarchs off of the Mongol system, but they could work during any period as they are basically big well organized and supported camps. Tamarchs also serve as schools and means to create a loyal 'middle class' out of cashed out veterans. Each Tamarch would operate with a great deal of autonomy and be allowed to participate in small scale conquest and looting in addition to defensive work. While I agree that the Jinns won't be that great at siege warfare, each Tamarch can probably only pull off one good siege at a time, but the Mongols were actually very adept at siege warfare having learned a great deal from their conquests. Recall that it was the Mongols who took down the unassailable fortresses of the old man of the mountains. Siege units were elite units, however, and they were very rarely present in the forces that the Mongols sent to the west which is where their reputation for poor sieges comes from. The Persians and Medes were also very adept at sieges. Sorry about the golems thing, I was thinking more along the lines of animated objects and servitors not the hulking combat machines we all know and love. I may be operating under a misconception vs. the Jinn, early on in the thread I thought we were discussing the Jinn as a very very large empire bordering on strange peoples we had not even discussed as well as the Cressians. If we are considering a much smaller people than this scale certainly won't work. But if we are thinking on that scale then I see the Tamarch as the military formation the Cressians are most likely to face. Should the Cressians manage to repulse it when they face it, for what ever reason, than they will likely see no further threats from the Jinn for sometime. [/QUOTE]
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