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<blockquote data-quote="GladiusNP" data-source="post: 725124" data-attributes="member: 10574"><p>I'm not so sure we do need to take centaurs down a notch. If there's only two hundred in a Tamarch (and regardless of the size of the Ta'Jinn Empire, it seems to be that a Tamarch is what the Cressians would face), they are going to have serious problems vs. the Lycanthropic warriors, of which there are at least that many, though one thousand seems a better number. </p><p></p><p>Assuming a bare minimum of 1st-level commoner (direct from the MM) a werewolf can keep pace with a centaur, and though not as dangerous in combat, they still have their trump-card, damage resistance. Also, these are the weakest, least effective beastmen - many are probably accomplished warriors. </p><p></p><p>For the Stempa, I think that Ogres would be very cool. Fits in with the sort of brute force, run to armies together approach of ritualized religious conflicts. (I read somewhere that ancient Greeks were considered somewhat suicidal by the Persians after seeing how two greek armies fought each other, pretty much a charge into melee wearing heavy armor). The Stempa probably will be slightly disadvantaged in the conflict, except for the fact they have iron, which will make short work of bronze shields. </p><p></p><p>In regard to the number of city-states, I'd pick seven as a figure that we can easily use, but keeps variety up. I'd suggest two factions, divided over one of the religious conflicts that got out of hand. One has more numbers, and the other side pulls in the Cressians to help. That's when the Ta'Jinn show up.</p><p></p><p>City-states (Summary at bottom)- </p><p>Thelia - Worshippers of Arcsos, a god of retribution, warfare and law. The Thelians are the leaders of the smaller of the factions, and the largest city-state. They have managed to hold back for some time the onslaught of the other Stempa due to their superior military leaders and decent resources - they have a large amount of territory, and a large, highly trained army. The city of Thelia is located on a fertile strip of land, near to Cressia. They are allies with.....</p><p></p><p>Sirenos - To the south of the Cressian river and Altheea lies a large natural bay. Sirenos, and it's sister city Sirrednos, are on opposite sides of this harbour. Both worship the goddess Sirine, patron of the tides, moon, and sailors. Sirenos has only a small army, but has considerable naval strength, as does....</p><p></p><p>Sirrednos - The sister city of Sirenos, Sirrednos is lead by priestesses of Sirine. Though it is smaller than Sirenos, Sirrednos is famous for the oracle who resides in a temple within the city. Along with Sirenos, they are allied to Thelia.</p><p></p><p>Altheea - Worshippers of Beros, a god of trade, law, and coin. Altheea is located on the river which runs into Cresia. They are river traders, and have the closest ties to the Cressians. Their army is well equipped, but small and not particularly well led. They were dragged into the conflict by close ties with the Thelians. They eventually pull in the Cressians to fight the other faction, lead by the soldiers of...</p><p></p><p>Tarthus - Followers of Iradne, a goddess of freedom, battle and virtue. Tarthus is located on the borders of the Jinn grasslands. The third-largest city-state, Tarthus' army defeated the Thelians. Retaliation on a massive scale lead to the current conflict. Tarthus has many religious temples, and is the most tolerant of the Stempa to new ideas and freedom of worship. Their army is small, but very well-trained and led by excellent generals. They are aided by....</p><p></p><p>Lesthen- Devoted to Mastos, a god of craft, iron, and the forge. Located to the south of Tarthus, and also on the Jinn border, Lesthen is the second largest city-state. They have the best equipment, though their army is only mid-sized. To their immediate east lies....</p><p></p><p>Belephthos - The faithful of Crossus, god of strength, athleticism, and freedom. Located in the center of Stempa, they are the first to have developed ties with the Ogres. They have a small city - they are in the most rugged terrain in Stempa. They fight well, but are poorly supplied, and very small. They are known for the quality of their recruits rather than elite generals. They fight with Tarthus, as does the city of....</p><p></p><p>Colothus - Found to the south of Lesthen, on a narrow peninsula, Colosthus follow Piscenes, god of the ocean and storms. Colosthus has a strong navy, and a good sized army. They are probably the best at Amphibous assault of the Stempa, and live in an excellent location, with shellfish found in the shallows to the west of the city, and many fish swimming in the deeps to the east. They follow Tarthus, along with....</p><p></p><p>Selonia - Lead by priests of Cumidne, goddess of secrets, lore, and the sky. Good, arable location, but only mid-sized. Army is not inconsiderable, but only mid-sized. They sided with Tarthus, like....</p><p></p><p>Epicus - Worshippers of Epardne, goddess of healing, surgeons, and herbs. Naturally occuring hot-springs lead to many seeking healing to come to this city. They have a small navy, and not much of an army. They are sworn to Tarthus, as are the soldiers of....</p><p></p><p>Lernea - The Lerneans are worshippers of Ephros, god of the harvest, seasons, and change. Another of the middle sized cities. Army is not particularly well-trained, but reasonable equipment and size makes up for that.</p><p></p><p>Here is a summation, largest down to smallest. The letters indicates who follows which city-state, Thelia (TH) or Tarthus (TA)</p><p></p><p>Thelia (TH)</p><p>Lesthen (TA)</p><p>Tarthus (TA)</p><p>Colosthus (TA)</p><p>Sirenos (TH)</p><p>Altheea (TH)</p><p>Lernea (TA)</p><p>Sirrednos (TH)</p><p>Selonia (TA)</p><p>Epicus (TA)</p><p>Belephthos (TA)</p><p></p><p>Maybe we could set up a small scenario, and see how what we've got goes, picking out battles to see how they run. My suggestion would be Altheea pulls in Cressia to help Thelia. They help hold the Tarthusian forces back. The Ta' Jinn Tamarch, unbeknownst to the Cressians, then attack Lesthen. The Tarthusians, fighting on two fronts, are pushed back by the Thelians and Cressian. The Cressians then meet a small advance force of the Ta'Jinn. Confluct ensues. The Auselen generally ally according to whatever the individual ship-captain decides.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GladiusNP, post: 725124, member: 10574"] I'm not so sure we do need to take centaurs down a notch. If there's only two hundred in a Tamarch (and regardless of the size of the Ta'Jinn Empire, it seems to be that a Tamarch is what the Cressians would face), they are going to have serious problems vs. the Lycanthropic warriors, of which there are at least that many, though one thousand seems a better number. Assuming a bare minimum of 1st-level commoner (direct from the MM) a werewolf can keep pace with a centaur, and though not as dangerous in combat, they still have their trump-card, damage resistance. Also, these are the weakest, least effective beastmen - many are probably accomplished warriors. For the Stempa, I think that Ogres would be very cool. Fits in with the sort of brute force, run to armies together approach of ritualized religious conflicts. (I read somewhere that ancient Greeks were considered somewhat suicidal by the Persians after seeing how two greek armies fought each other, pretty much a charge into melee wearing heavy armor). The Stempa probably will be slightly disadvantaged in the conflict, except for the fact they have iron, which will make short work of bronze shields. In regard to the number of city-states, I'd pick seven as a figure that we can easily use, but keeps variety up. I'd suggest two factions, divided over one of the religious conflicts that got out of hand. One has more numbers, and the other side pulls in the Cressians to help. That's when the Ta'Jinn show up. City-states (Summary at bottom)- Thelia - Worshippers of Arcsos, a god of retribution, warfare and law. The Thelians are the leaders of the smaller of the factions, and the largest city-state. They have managed to hold back for some time the onslaught of the other Stempa due to their superior military leaders and decent resources - they have a large amount of territory, and a large, highly trained army. The city of Thelia is located on a fertile strip of land, near to Cressia. They are allies with..... Sirenos - To the south of the Cressian river and Altheea lies a large natural bay. Sirenos, and it's sister city Sirrednos, are on opposite sides of this harbour. Both worship the goddess Sirine, patron of the tides, moon, and sailors. Sirenos has only a small army, but has considerable naval strength, as does.... Sirrednos - The sister city of Sirenos, Sirrednos is lead by priestesses of Sirine. Though it is smaller than Sirenos, Sirrednos is famous for the oracle who resides in a temple within the city. Along with Sirenos, they are allied to Thelia. Altheea - Worshippers of Beros, a god of trade, law, and coin. Altheea is located on the river which runs into Cresia. They are river traders, and have the closest ties to the Cressians. Their army is well equipped, but small and not particularly well led. They were dragged into the conflict by close ties with the Thelians. They eventually pull in the Cressians to fight the other faction, lead by the soldiers of... Tarthus - Followers of Iradne, a goddess of freedom, battle and virtue. Tarthus is located on the borders of the Jinn grasslands. The third-largest city-state, Tarthus' army defeated the Thelians. Retaliation on a massive scale lead to the current conflict. Tarthus has many religious temples, and is the most tolerant of the Stempa to new ideas and freedom of worship. Their army is small, but very well-trained and led by excellent generals. They are aided by.... Lesthen- Devoted to Mastos, a god of craft, iron, and the forge. Located to the south of Tarthus, and also on the Jinn border, Lesthen is the second largest city-state. They have the best equipment, though their army is only mid-sized. To their immediate east lies.... Belephthos - The faithful of Crossus, god of strength, athleticism, and freedom. Located in the center of Stempa, they are the first to have developed ties with the Ogres. They have a small city - they are in the most rugged terrain in Stempa. They fight well, but are poorly supplied, and very small. They are known for the quality of their recruits rather than elite generals. They fight with Tarthus, as does the city of.... Colothus - Found to the south of Lesthen, on a narrow peninsula, Colosthus follow Piscenes, god of the ocean and storms. Colosthus has a strong navy, and a good sized army. They are probably the best at Amphibous assault of the Stempa, and live in an excellent location, with shellfish found in the shallows to the west of the city, and many fish swimming in the deeps to the east. They follow Tarthus, along with.... Selonia - Lead by priests of Cumidne, goddess of secrets, lore, and the sky. Good, arable location, but only mid-sized. Army is not inconsiderable, but only mid-sized. They sided with Tarthus, like.... Epicus - Worshippers of Epardne, goddess of healing, surgeons, and herbs. Naturally occuring hot-springs lead to many seeking healing to come to this city. They have a small navy, and not much of an army. They are sworn to Tarthus, as are the soldiers of.... Lernea - The Lerneans are worshippers of Ephros, god of the harvest, seasons, and change. Another of the middle sized cities. Army is not particularly well-trained, but reasonable equipment and size makes up for that. Here is a summation, largest down to smallest. The letters indicates who follows which city-state, Thelia (TH) or Tarthus (TA) Thelia (TH) Lesthen (TA) Tarthus (TA) Colosthus (TA) Sirenos (TH) Altheea (TH) Lernea (TA) Sirrednos (TH) Selonia (TA) Epicus (TA) Belephthos (TA) Maybe we could set up a small scenario, and see how what we've got goes, picking out battles to see how they run. My suggestion would be Altheea pulls in Cressia to help Thelia. They help hold the Tarthusian forces back. The Ta' Jinn Tamarch, unbeknownst to the Cressians, then attack Lesthen. The Tarthusians, fighting on two fronts, are pushed back by the Thelians and Cressian. The Cressians then meet a small advance force of the Ta'Jinn. Confluct ensues. The Auselen generally ally according to whatever the individual ship-captain decides. [/QUOTE]
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