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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dglass" data-source="post: 763841" data-attributes="member: 5484">Question: do they have to be Ogres?  I've never really thought of Ogres (even the mage variety) as creatures that would ever fit into any sort of civilization.I have always had a soft spot for the goblinoid races.  I think they get a bad reputation.  Not all of them are stupid just uneducated.  True, Bugbears are not as strong as Ogres but they could use levers and pulleys like the greeks did.  I think the goblinoids could coexist with humans in Stempa.  The Goblins and Bugbears would make up the lower social strata.  Doing the jobs no one else wants to.  Goblins have an average intelligence but I think the lower charisma, strength and small size would make them second-class.  Hobgoblins have average intelligence, wisdom, and charisma with a slightly higher strength, dexterity, and constitution compared to humans.  They would be citizens too in Stempa.  Perhaps the Hobgoblins would do the 'hard' work.  Tilling fields, construction, hunting game, that sort of thing.  Meanwhile the weaker but more creative Humans would do the cooking, weaving, pottery, stuff like that. Leaders could come from anywhere.I think in prehistory (that is to say Round One) the tribes of humans and goblinoids lived near each other.  They probably fought a little.  Perhaps there was a disease, or drought, or both which caused a strain communities.  A forward looking leader then figured out that if they worked togather they would have a better chance and pitched it to the other tribe.  The two peoples survived the hard times and just kept going.</blockquote>

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