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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flynn" data-source="post: 3642332" data-attributes="member: 1836">By definition in Saga, all prestige classes that start at 7th character level have a total of +6 on defenses, in +2/+4 increments. All prestige classes that start at 12th character level have a total of +9 on defenses, in +3/+6 increments. I would expect to see something like that in the way of class-based defense bonuses in the Advanced and Prestige classes that are in Fantasy Concepts. Base classes build to Advanced classes (which would probably include the more specialized classes of standard OGL fantasy), which in turn build to the Prestige classes.Further analysis of the Saga classes will likely reveal other relationships that we will keep in mind as we move forward with our work, such as higher BABs being tied to lower Starting Skills (for base classes), and that kind of thing.Quick Analysis of tendencies in Saga for such classes:Advanced Classes (7th level)Prerequisites: 1-2 talents, 1-2 trained skills, sometimes limited feat requirements, 7th levelDefense Bonuses: Total +6, in +2/+4 increments.10 levels: Alternating talent and class-related special bonus, or talent every level progressionTwo talent treesPrestige Classes (12th level)Prerequisites: 1-2 talents from advanced classes, feat requirements, 12th levelDefense Bonuses: Total +9, in +3/+6 increments.5 levels: 2 special abilities at 1st level, Talent on odd levels (1st, 3rd, 5th) from other talent trees, class-related special bonus every levelNo unique talent treesWith Regards,Flynn</blockquote>

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