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<blockquote data-quote="Flynn" data-source="post: 3646513" data-attributes="member: 1836">I tend to agree with the 3x at first level, simply for the sake of character longevity.There are still a few things that have to be worked out in that direction. Given the Class Defense mechanics found in Unearthed Arcana, it may be simplest to implement a base of armor replaces character level. As for touch attacks, I'm sure we will come up with something, probably a static adjustment to the attack roll when attempting a touch attack, for the sake of simplicity.Unless the advancement in Defenses is adjusted, there is definitely a need to improve the Wizard's BAB. Hitpoints are another matter, but BAB may be a problem. The following table demonstrates the Sage Defense progression against the average attack roll progression of standard D&amp;D (assuming that the character rolls a 10 on their d20 attack). At 10th level, the arcanist must roll a 15 to hit, compared to the warrior's 10. At 15th level, the arcanist needs an 18 to hit, compared to the warrior's 10. At 20th level, the arcanist needs a natural 20 to hit.[code]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; Defense&nbsp; &nbsp; Arcane&nbsp; &nbsp; Divine&nbsp; &nbsp; Warrior1&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 112&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 123&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 134&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 145&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 156&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 167&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 178&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 189&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 1910&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 2011&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 2112&nbsp; &nbsp; 22&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 2213&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 2314&nbsp; &nbsp; 24&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 2415&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 2516&nbsp; &nbsp; 26&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 22&nbsp; &nbsp; 2617&nbsp; &nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 22&nbsp; &nbsp; 2718&nbsp; &nbsp; 28&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 2819&nbsp; &nbsp; 29&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 24&nbsp; &nbsp; 2920&nbsp; &nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 30[/code]Using the last three columns, you can see what the progression might look like if you used a Defense rate of 3/4*level (Divine) or 1/2*level (Arcane).In essence, I think we would either have to adjust the base Defense advancement to 3/4*level or up the arcanist's BAB, if we wanted to keep the arcanist effective at higher levels.What do you as players feel would be the best approach to this particular issue?With Regards,Flynn</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flynn, post: 3646513, member: 1836"] I tend to agree with the 3x at first level, simply for the sake of character longevity. There are still a few things that have to be worked out in that direction. Given the Class Defense mechanics found in Unearthed Arcana, it may be simplest to implement a base of armor replaces character level. As for touch attacks, I'm sure we will come up with something, probably a static adjustment to the attack roll when attempting a touch attack, for the sake of simplicity. Unless the advancement in Defenses is adjusted, there is definitely a need to improve the Wizard's BAB. Hitpoints are another matter, but BAB may be a problem. The following table demonstrates the Sage Defense progression against the average attack roll progression of standard D&D (assuming that the character rolls a 10 on their d20 attack). At 10th level, the arcanist must roll a 15 to hit, compared to the warrior's 10. At 15th level, the arcanist needs an 18 to hit, compared to the warrior's 10. At 20th level, the arcanist needs a natural 20 to hit. [code] Level Defense Arcane Divine Warrior 1 11 10 10 11 2 12 11 11 12 3 13 11 12 13 4 14 12 13 14 5 15 12 13 15 6 16 13 14 16 7 17 13 15 17 8 18 14 16 18 9 19 14 16 19 10 20 15 17 20 11 21 15 18 21 12 22 16 19 22 13 23 16 19 23 14 24 17 20 24 15 25 17 21 25 16 26 18 22 26 17 27 18 22 27 18 28 19 23 28 19 29 19 24 29 20 30 20 25 30 [/code] Using the last three columns, you can see what the progression might look like if you used a Defense rate of 3/4*level (Divine) or 1/2*level (Arcane). In essence, I think we would either have to [B]adjust the base Defense advancement to 3/4*level[/B] or [B]up the arcanist's BAB[/B], if we wanted to keep the arcanist effective at higher levels. What do you as players feel would be the best approach to this particular issue? With Regards, Flynn [/QUOTE]

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