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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2240847" data-attributes="member: 2205">Fairly expensive?!  It's available for free on the Games Workshop homepage as a pdf!   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> I think d20 is a particularly bad engine to base a football game on, though.  Most characters have the same speed, for instance.  Barbarians, who have fast movement, and can rage, seem like they'd be grossly overpowered, especially if they have a high dex.  There aren't any good tackle or body-check type rules, except Bull Rush, which doesn't even knock you down, ironically, and grapple, which is more of a wrestly maneuver.  Other than straight Dex checks to throw or catch the ball, there's nothing very tactical there either.So yeah, you could get a crunchy game, but all the crunch would be focused on all the wrong things, whereas the types of skills, checks and abilities that really matter would probably be extremely under-crunched.And presumably you think Blood Bowl is expensive because you want to buy the boxed set that comes with the gameboard, the templates and the miniatures.  But you need something similar to play d20 football too, and you can certainly use "substitute minis" for Bloodbowl.  I've played with pennies as linemen, nickels as throwers, dimes as catchers and quarters as blitzers in the past, and I can again.  I can mock up my own football field on a game mat if I want, and mocking up some templates isn't any harder.So, no, I still don't get it.  You're primary objection is moot, and your primary motivation doesn't make sense either as d20 is particularly poorly suited for this type of game.</blockquote>

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