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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8888211" data-attributes="member: 7026594">Yeah, I think there's more to it than just that piece of what Edwards wrote.&nbsp; I understand that them having &quot;one great idea&quot; is what breaks HIS heart, but I encountered the term years before I ever saw it in Forge context. Generally used for any indie game published out of someone's home as a labor of love aiming to challenge big games like D&amp;D and failing utterly, thus breaking their heart.&nbsp; We saw these for decades, advertised in the back pages of Dragon, or sold by the author at a table they rented at a local convention or mighty GenCon itself!&nbsp; The 90s saw an explosion of them as cheap desktop publishing became available.&nbsp; I've still got copies of a handful.&nbsp; Synnibarr is a classic example of this sort of game.I definitely agree that a very common element was that many of them clearly were trying to be &quot;D&amp;D but better&quot;.&nbsp; &quot;Why would anyone want to play D&amp;D when MY game has... [a &quot;realistic&quot; spell point system!, a &quot;realistic&quot; hit location and DR system!, a realistic setting based on real Medieval Europe; trust me I have a Masters degree in Medieval History!, etc.]&quot;&nbsp; And a lot of them did show signs of being created by people who really weren't familiar with games other than D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8888211, member: 7026594"] Yeah, I think there's more to it than just that piece of what Edwards wrote. I understand that them having "one great idea" is what breaks HIS heart, but I encountered the term years before I ever saw it in Forge context. Generally used for any indie game published out of someone's home as a labor of love aiming to challenge big games like D&D and failing utterly, thus breaking their heart. We saw these for decades, advertised in the back pages of Dragon, or sold by the author at a table they rented at a local convention or mighty GenCon itself! The 90s saw an explosion of them as cheap desktop publishing became available. I've still got copies of a handful. Synnibarr is a classic example of this sort of game. I definitely agree that a very common element was that many of them clearly were trying to be "D&D but better". "Why would anyone want to play D&D when MY game has... [a "realistic" spell point system!, a "realistic" hit location and DR system!, a realistic setting based on real Medieval Europe; trust me I have a Masters degree in Medieval History!, etc.]" And a lot of them did show signs of being created by people who really weren't familiar with games [I]other than [/I]D&D. [/QUOTE]

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