Fantasy Novels and D&D

joethelawyer

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I was in the local mega bookstore the other day Xmas shopping, and of course I had to make the trek over to the RPG/Fantasy section. I started thinking about how tied together fantasy books and D&D have been in my gaming life these past 25 years. After my first RPG experience as a freshman in high school, the guys who played with me recommended Tolkien. From there I went to Feist, Eddings, Brooks, the Conan books, Fritz Leiber, Moorcock, Dragonlance Chronicles and Legends, Piers Anthony, Donaldson, Anne McCaffrey, Thieves World, and others, even Gygax’ Gord books. All of those books inspired my group and my style of gaming, as well as my expectations from my D&D system.

As 2e came out, I started reading some of the Drizzt stuff, but that's about it. I couldn't get into the other TSR/WOTC novels. I pretty much stopped reading fantasy novels after the first half of Jordan's Wheel of Time never-ending saga, and George R.R. Martin's Fire and Ice series. (I hear he finally got off his ass and published the 4th book after what, almost a decade?)

The point is, for my 1st and 2nd edition games, fantasy novels have always been very much interwoven with my game. Sometimes we would steal whole plotlines. NPC's were named after and modeled after characters from those novels. We tried to fashion our characters off of the ones from the books. Interruptions to the game sessions would often be due to conversations about parts of books the rest of us read, that one player was reading for the first time. To the extent that the 1e and 2e systems allowed us to recreate cool parts of those books for our characters, we were happy.

I write this because I sort of feel disconnected now to the future of D&D. Not being a player of 4e, I feel sort of disappointed that I won’t be able to look forward to the reading what is coming out for D&D. Playing 3.0, the 3pp’s have pretty much put out anything and everything they could on every conceivable topic multiple times. Not much to look forward to there either. I’ll probably buy the Pathfinder book when it comes out, but solely as a resource to see if there are any ideas in there we might be able to use for our own houserules. We may our own modules, so nothing to buy there either.

I remember as a kid standing in the corner of Waldenbooks, looking around to make sure no store workers were around, as I sliced open the newest TSR module’s plastic wrap to see what was inside. I remember riding my bike down to the mall and standing in the store for hours with my brother reading the new hardcover books, memorizing as much as we could, because we couldn’t afford to buy the books. Even up until a year ago, I still had some of that excitement when I stopped into a bookstore and paged through the latest releases. The level of excitement I had over looking forward to the newest, latest and greatest is over, not to be had again. It’s kinda sad. Basically, my days as a player of D&D continue, but my days as a consumer of D&D products are basically over.

I never got into the Magic card game. I never understood its appeal. I played Everquest for a while, but that was my last MMORPG experience. I don’t read comics or that Manga stuff, which seems to inspire the art, if not the style of RPG’s today. All of these three things seem to be the predominant current cultural influences to the current state of D&D, as well as the future of the game. At least, they see to be more of an influence than fantasy novels. I think that younger generations read less novels than older ones. There are more media options out there which for many are more fun and immersive than reading. Not judging r criticizing, it just seems to be the way it is.

Anyhow in the bookstore the other day, I noticed all the fantasy books in there were written by pretty much the same authors I used to read. There didn’t seem to be any new series. There didn’t seem to be any new hot authors. There were a lot of new releases of old books.

I feel a disconnect from the future of the game I love to play, and from the current fantasy influences to that game, and I can’t find any new fantasy novels to read to help inspire my current game.

There’s not much I can do about my no longer being a consumer of D&D stuff. There’s not much I can do about my disconnect from the current D&D fantasy cultural influences. I simply don’t enjoy most of them. But I figure, as to the fantasy novels, there might be something I can do.


Tell me—who do you guys read? Who is the next Feist or Jordan? What authors are writing the new Riftwar, Belgariad, Wheel of Times or Dragonlance series which will define an era of fantasy novels? Who are the new Eddings, Feists and Jordans? What authors’ fantasy novels so define your RPG experiences these days, as these guys did mine in the old days?

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Hmm... Well the authors I have been reading right now:

Martin: Song of Fire and Ice - don't need to describe this since you already know it.

Naomi Novik: Temeraire series - it is a alternative history set during the Napoleonic War except Dragons exist and the armies have a "flying corps". It is a very fun book series, plus neat to see places and people you know from history in a fantasy series.

Scott Bakker: Prince of Nothing series - I haven't read the series yet but it looks like a very good low-fantasy, gritty series with lots of complex plot and philosophy, etc.

Also since I bring lots of technology and other themes into my fantasy.

William Gibson: All his cyberpunk and postcyberpunk stuff. I think most people know of Gibson and his books. I have used lots of cyberpunk ideas and magical-esque variants of his technology in it, ie; internet in the form of ley-lines.
 
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If you are looking for inspiration:

Vance, Jack. Lyonesse.
Anderson, Poul. Three Heats and Three Lions.
Costikyan, Greg. Another Day, Another Dungeon.
Leiber, Fritz. Swords Against Deviltry.
Moon, Elizabeth. The Deed of Paksenarrion.
Pierce, Tamora. The Song of the Lioness.
Stewart, Mary. The Crystal Cave.
King, William. Trollslayer.
Moorcock, Michael. Corum.
Watt-Evans, Lawrence. The Misenchanted Sword.
McKillip, Patricia. The Book of Atrix Wolfe.
 

Stephen Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen series. Although its very, very lengthy.

China Mieville's Bas-Lag books, if you count Lovecraftian/R.E. Howardian/Weird Tales style fantasy.

Michael Stackpole's Dark Glory War. (Although the concluding chapter is...disappointing.). I wouldn't say this would define an era, but its definitely good reading.

Sarah Ash's Tears of Artamon sears.

Susannah Clarke's 'Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.'

There's plenty of stuff out there to be had.
 

I picked up gaming (at that point, just D&D) in 1977 at the age of 10, and my original inspiration in RPGs were the Iliad, the Odyssey, Greek/Roman/Norse mythology, JRRT, Moorcock, deCamp, Poe, Lovecraft, Brackett, Niven, Piers Anthony and Lieber. I'd read a smattering of Howard and others

When I discovered Traveller 2 years later, I was able to put all my sci-fi readings into my role-play arsenal- Heinlein, Clarke, Kornbluth, Clement, Blish and others.

Now? Well, too many to list, really, but some high points (besides some of those mentioned above) include:

Harry Turtledove (unparalleled alt-history fiction and the in-freaking-credible Darkness series), Bruce Sterling, SM Stirling, Neil Gaiman, Terry Brooks, Terry Pratchett, CJ Cherryh (esp. the Sword of Knowledge trilogy), Mary Gentle, Anne Rice, Dean Koontz (the Odd Thomas books), Stephen King, Barbara Hambly (fboth antasy & the Ben January murder mysteries), Kristine Kathryn Rusch, Kurt Giambastiani, and a host of talent in F&SF Magazine (http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/), like the wonderfully inventive Albert E. Cowdrey and Matthew Hughes.
 

I dunno. . . I've never liked D&D fiction, really. Save for the early Dizzt books, I think that it's pretty horrid.

Most of the fantasy fiction that I've read comes from a time before D&D existed (Lord Dunsany, Leiber's early Lankhmar stories, Vance's Blue World, Vernor Vinge's Grimm's World, etc). The only Fantasy author of a more recent vintage who I am truly fond of (other than Vance, who continues to thrill me) is Dennis L. McKiernan (and his novels are primarly infleunced by a game system other than D&D).

I actually spend most of my time reading hardboiled detective pulps, adventure pulps, and short horror fiction (though I've lately taken an interest in modern technothrillers, as well).
 
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There are some modern Fantasy authors who are good;

Katherine Kerr

JV Jones

Raymond Feist (his recent series is really interesting)

Stephen Lawhead

Tad Williams; LOVE the The Dragonbone chair etc Not so keen on latest stuff.

Terry Brooks; if you don't mind a bit of JRRT ripoff for the first book or so.

Stephen Donaldson is still writing the chronicles of Thomas Covenant.

Then if you want something different but related, try some historically based fiction;

Bernard Cornwell's series on Arthur and the legend of Excalibur.

historical detective fiction is also fun;

Ellis Peters

Paul Doherty incl medieval, renaissance, Mongol (Kublai Khan) and Egyptian.

Kate Sedley

I hope you find your muse again. And don't worry; old games don't die and I have a feeling that 4e is going to be good for encouraging EVERY former edition of D&D to undergo something of an OGL renaissiance.
 

I don't know if I've read anything that classifies itself as 'modern' as many of the writers I'm enjoying have numerous books out in long series.

For example, I'm still reading Terry Brooks. I find it light 'popcorn' reading.

I read several books in the Sword of Truth series. Didn't see the rat some people had for it but got bored with it around book five.

Stephen King's Dark Tower is a weird bit of epic fantasy.

I also find myself reading a lot of graphic novels and taking inspiration from them. The Berserk manga, Claymore, Mice Templar, Mouse Guard, Artesia, and the Dark Horse revisiting of Conan as well as their inexpensive reprints of the older stuff.
 

Scott Bakker: Prince of Nothing series - I haven't read the series yet but it looks like a very good low-fantasy, gritty series with lots of complex plot and philosophy, etc.

It is very good, but I wouldn't call it low fantasy in the low-magic non-epic sense, because it has both in quite large doses. It is however pretty gritty, complex, well thought out and with characters who are shades of grey instead of all good or bad. I can recommend it a lot...

My absolute favorite writer of the moment is Steven Erikson's Malazan Books of the Fallen. The books are lengthy yes, but no one else imo has the depth and scope he manages to bring to his story, while always remaining very much on the level of the characters, their motivations and emotions. His ability to mix the incredibly epic with the very down to earth problems of a single soldier is amazing...
Also, he writes 1 book a year, which is something other witers *cough*George RR Martin*cough* should really take as an example...

Other writers I enjoy at te moment are: Scott Lynch, Robin Hobb, Patrick Rothfuss, Jacqueline Carey...
 

George R.R. Martin - His Song of Ice and Fire series influenced my D&D 3.5 campaign in its war and political intrigue for the past 4 years. Best of the current generation of epic scope fantasy IMHO.

Jim Butcher - The Dresden Files. I picked this up this summer on the recommendation of one of my players. For me this series has most shaped my view of 4th Edition D&D. I was overjoyed when I found that rituals could mimic the non-combat magic of the series. I love how his wise-cracking wizard P.I. mixes the fantasy elements in a modern setting with a few geek references thrown in for humour. For instance, one of the few times I've laughed out loud from a book is when Dresden blows open a door with his magic, storms into the room and yells "And I'm all outta bubble gum!". Then has to explain what he's talking about when nobody gets the reference. Also great for flavour for 4e's Feywild.

Scott Lynch - Gentleman Bastard Sequence. Only two books so far, but great thief stories. Low-magic fantasy con-artists in city-states reminiscent of Europes's Renaissance or Age of Discovery.
 

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