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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9785219" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>No, it's the progenitor for fantasy.</p><p></p><p>You are just completely wrong. Not only did Tolkien not "despise medieval romance," he taught it and worked on it. I am looking at my copy of his esteemed translation of Sir Gawain, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo on my shelf right now. He was an acclaimed expert on Medieval romance. The structure of LotR owes far more to Medieval romance, and to Milton and the King James Bible, than it does to Beowulf (I also own his translation of Beowulf, though I prefer using the Heaney).</p><p></p><p>Modern fantasy did not "grow" from Tolkien (it grew from Medieval romances), but he is <em>by far</em> the most impactful 20th C. fantasy author. Edit: though you could make a case for George Lucas.</p><p></p><p>Edit: it terms of setting, you can definitely see the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon and Nordic influence on LotR in terms of the sense of a gradually declining world, though ultimately the Christain framing is much more integral. Though Beowulf is, itself, a Christian text, or at least a Christianized text probably drawn from earlier, pre-Christian origins (its ultimate origins are shrouded in mystery).</p><p></p><p></p><p>?????</p><p></p><p>Look, this isn't even debatable, and I don't see how anyone can deny the <em>direct</em> lineage of Medieval romance to the Romantic/Victorian Medievalist revival (c.f. Scott, Tennyson) to 2oth C. fantasy. This is not exactly my hot take; it's a well established and studied field in literature.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9785219, member: 7035894"] No, it's the progenitor for fantasy. You are just completely wrong. Not only did Tolkien not "despise medieval romance," he taught it and worked on it. I am looking at my copy of his esteemed translation of Sir Gawain, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo on my shelf right now. He was an acclaimed expert on Medieval romance. The structure of LotR owes far more to Medieval romance, and to Milton and the King James Bible, than it does to Beowulf (I also own his translation of Beowulf, though I prefer using the Heaney). Modern fantasy did not "grow" from Tolkien (it grew from Medieval romances), but he is [I]by far[/I] the most impactful 20th C. fantasy author. Edit: though you could make a case for George Lucas. Edit: it terms of setting, you can definitely see the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon and Nordic influence on LotR in terms of the sense of a gradually declining world, though ultimately the Christain framing is much more integral. Though Beowulf is, itself, a Christian text, or at least a Christianized text probably drawn from earlier, pre-Christian origins (its ultimate origins are shrouded in mystery). ????? Look, this isn't even debatable, and I don't see how anyone can deny the [I]direct[/I] lineage of Medieval romance to the Romantic/Victorian Medievalist revival (c.f. Scott, Tennyson) to 2oth C. fantasy. This is not exactly my hot take; it's a well established and studied field in literature. [/QUOTE]
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