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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 4980842" data-attributes="member: 2167">I've done a fair share of both caving and cave diving. I have never needed to swim while caving. As I mentioned before, a dwarf accustomed to cave Diving.... would be a cliff dwarf.Granted, yes there are the occasional underground rivers, lakes, etc. but they are just that... rare. Most water encountered during spelunking can be bypassed without being a 'swimmer', either wading, rope-bridge, etc. The largest danger of water encountered while caving is the risk of unsafe terrain; slides, cave-ins, etc.When looking at this from the perspective of a dwarf, they aren't going to be swimmers. Even if encountering a true underground river, they will take other paths than learning to swim it. Hell most dwarves would simply walk the bottom while holding their breath if they have to. More commonly they'd simply make rope-pull barges or as is typical of dwarves and loving to build things, use the excuse to build a bridge.The same can pretty much be said for chasms. Dwarf legs are not proportional to a humans. Part of what is required for jumping is the 'spring' formed when bending the knee. The longer the sections of the spring, the more jump you get. This can be seen by looking at athletes. Hurdlers, long jumpers, etc. all have one thing in common, long legs.&nbsp; With dwarven legs not only being short, but rather disproportionately short in relation to their torso, and considering the heavier mass of a dwarf, I can full see where making exceptional feats of jumping are not something they can accomplish. Again, they would rely on other methods to bypass large chasms.JMHO. YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 4980842, member: 2167"] I've done a fair share of both caving and cave diving. I have never needed to swim while caving. As I mentioned before, a dwarf accustomed to cave Diving.... would be a cliff dwarf. Granted, yes there are the occasional underground rivers, lakes, etc. but they are just that... rare. Most water encountered during spelunking can be bypassed without being a 'swimmer', either wading, rope-bridge, etc. The largest danger of water encountered while caving is the risk of unsafe terrain; slides, cave-ins, etc. When looking at this from the perspective of a dwarf, they aren't going to be swimmers. Even if encountering a true underground river, they will take other paths than learning to swim it. Hell most dwarves would simply walk the bottom while holding their breath if they have to. More commonly they'd simply make rope-pull barges or as is typical of dwarves and loving to build things, use the excuse to build a bridge. The same can pretty much be said for chasms. Dwarf legs are not proportional to a humans. Part of what is required for jumping is the 'spring' formed when bending the knee. The longer the sections of the spring, the more jump you get. This can be seen by looking at athletes. Hurdlers, long jumpers, etc. all have one thing in common, long legs. With dwarven legs not only being short, but rather disproportionately short in relation to their torso, and considering the heavier mass of a dwarf, I can full see where making exceptional feats of jumping are not something they can accomplish. Again, they would rely on other methods to bypass large chasms. JMHO. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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