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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 4439725" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>I very much understood the rules. Which I why I posted what I posted. </p><p></p><p>That is how the rules work. I fail to see how you can make 1 hit point minions seem any different than they are. They are one hit point whether a lvl 1 kobold or a lvl 20 demon minion. They die if struck by a Scorching Blast or if struck by a twig. That is how it works unless you can point to something else.</p><p></p><p>As I stated, I understand the concept behind the way they are made, but I do not like how the concept is executed. Which is entirely different from not understanding the rules.</p><p></p><p>And I have read every single dragon breath weapon. It seems to me it is you who are not doing the math in your head as far as whether a dragon breath weapon could kill outright a low level non-minion lvl 3 Hobgoblin soldier or a lvl 6 Skirmisher shadow hound with an average roll of damage.</p><p></p><p>Or do you think I missed the way I'm supposed to design an encounter using a ton of minions to simulate a large army of a particular type of creature? Do you think I'm not understanding that part of the rules.</p><p></p><p>I very much understand it. I was told by folks on this board to give 4E a try, so I would see the rules in play. I have played and run the game and very much do understand the rules. </p><p></p><p>As I stated in the post, this is not an argument. This is my subjective opinion regarding 4E after playing it. It has nothing to do with not understanding the concept behind 4E rules, it has everything with not liking how the 4E rules model the concept.</p><p></p><p>That is a very different animal. I don't insult you for liking 4E, I would prefer not to be insulted or bothered for not liking it as appears some people are doing.</p><p></p><p>I am entitled to my opinion. I have played the game, so this is not coming from someone unfamiliar with it. I have test run the breath weapon of a dragon against the creatures I listed.</p><p></p><p>I did not say dragon could not destroy an army fo hobgoblin soldiers. I said he could not destroy them with his breath weapon. And that is truth. A dragon's breath weapon is not as freely used nor as large as it was in previous editions. No idea why you are disputing this. If I had said that dragons couldn't kill an army of hobgoblin soldiers or a pack of wolf hounds, then your critcism of my rule statement would be valid. But since that isn't the case, I don't get what you're talking about. I can prove what I wrote. If you don't mind it conceptually, then that is your opinion. I like dragon breath weapons to be something that can decimate armies with continuous overhead passes that don't require recharge rerolls or the creature becoming bloodied. That's how I like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 4439725, member: 5834"] I very much understood the rules. Which I why I posted what I posted. That is how the rules work. I fail to see how you can make 1 hit point minions seem any different than they are. They are one hit point whether a lvl 1 kobold or a lvl 20 demon minion. They die if struck by a Scorching Blast or if struck by a twig. That is how it works unless you can point to something else. As I stated, I understand the concept behind the way they are made, but I do not like how the concept is executed. Which is entirely different from not understanding the rules. And I have read every single dragon breath weapon. It seems to me it is you who are not doing the math in your head as far as whether a dragon breath weapon could kill outright a low level non-minion lvl 3 Hobgoblin soldier or a lvl 6 Skirmisher shadow hound with an average roll of damage. Or do you think I missed the way I'm supposed to design an encounter using a ton of minions to simulate a large army of a particular type of creature? Do you think I'm not understanding that part of the rules. I very much understand it. I was told by folks on this board to give 4E a try, so I would see the rules in play. I have played and run the game and very much do understand the rules. As I stated in the post, this is not an argument. This is my subjective opinion regarding 4E after playing it. It has nothing to do with not understanding the concept behind 4E rules, it has everything with not liking how the 4E rules model the concept. That is a very different animal. I don't insult you for liking 4E, I would prefer not to be insulted or bothered for not liking it as appears some people are doing. I am entitled to my opinion. I have played the game, so this is not coming from someone unfamiliar with it. I have test run the breath weapon of a dragon against the creatures I listed. I did not say dragon could not destroy an army fo hobgoblin soldiers. I said he could not destroy them with his breath weapon. And that is truth. A dragon's breath weapon is not as freely used nor as large as it was in previous editions. No idea why you are disputing this. If I had said that dragons couldn't kill an army of hobgoblin soldiers or a pack of wolf hounds, then your critcism of my rule statement would be valid. But since that isn't the case, I don't get what you're talking about. I can prove what I wrote. If you don't mind it conceptually, then that is your opinion. I like dragon breath weapons to be something that can decimate armies with continuous overhead passes that don't require recharge rerolls or the creature becoming bloodied. That's how I like it. [/QUOTE]
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