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<blockquote data-quote="Byronic" data-source="post: 4439738" data-attributes="member: 56829"><p>I'm going to have to disagree with this. The OP made some comments, some of them I agree with, some of them I don't. Some of them were invalid (in the sense that they were based on a misunderstanding) But the OP was quite valid in disliking 4th edition.</p><p></p><p>You see, 4e is NOT the same beautiful woman 3e was. 4e is an entirely different woman. Different hair colour, different race, different interests. Some people liked the first one better, some of them liked the latter better. Some want to keep both. But they are different people.</p><p></p><p>The play style is different, I can think of a lot of fun I've had using spells and such outside of combat and are mechanically impossible with 4e. </p><p></p><p>To give an easy example, rituals. Some people LIKED being able to summon up Tensor's Disk or some other little helpful thing with the flick of a wrist. Standing in the middle of town, summoning a horse with a single magical word and hopping on it is FUN, and it gave players a nice sense of fun and most importantly MAGIC. Spending 10 min drawing a magical circle and chanting to summon up a horse is NOT as much fun, and really it gets annoying to have townspeople coming up to you and asking wth you're doing (and thats WITHOUT the pitchforks). Coughing up 70 gold worth of material also takes a bit of fun out of it, makes it more of a transaction then an act of magic.</p><p></p><p>Also some people liked Fighters because they were one of the simplest classes. It was such a nice class to introduce people to, grap a weapon, smack people. the rest is all roleplaying. Now they're just as complex as other classes.</p><p></p><p>What I'm trying to say is that they are different and I could mention a dozen other ways why. But that should be clear by now, and some people just prefer one above the other.</p><p></p><p>That's the whole of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Byronic, post: 4439738, member: 56829"] I'm going to have to disagree with this. The OP made some comments, some of them I agree with, some of them I don't. Some of them were invalid (in the sense that they were based on a misunderstanding) But the OP was quite valid in disliking 4th edition. You see, 4e is NOT the same beautiful woman 3e was. 4e is an entirely different woman. Different hair colour, different race, different interests. Some people liked the first one better, some of them liked the latter better. Some want to keep both. But they are different people. The play style is different, I can think of a lot of fun I've had using spells and such outside of combat and are mechanically impossible with 4e. To give an easy example, rituals. Some people LIKED being able to summon up Tensor's Disk or some other little helpful thing with the flick of a wrist. Standing in the middle of town, summoning a horse with a single magical word and hopping on it is FUN, and it gave players a nice sense of fun and most importantly MAGIC. Spending 10 min drawing a magical circle and chanting to summon up a horse is NOT as much fun, and really it gets annoying to have townspeople coming up to you and asking wth you're doing (and thats WITHOUT the pitchforks). Coughing up 70 gold worth of material also takes a bit of fun out of it, makes it more of a transaction then an act of magic. Also some people liked Fighters because they were one of the simplest classes. It was such a nice class to introduce people to, grap a weapon, smack people. the rest is all roleplaying. Now they're just as complex as other classes. What I'm trying to say is that they are different and I could mention a dozen other ways why. But that should be clear by now, and some people just prefer one above the other. That's the whole of it. [/QUOTE]
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