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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 4442420" data-attributes="member: 5834">Did you read the rest of the quote you snipped a piece from and misinterpreted? Go back and read the rest because your criticism is built upon a false supposition on your part.I acknowledge that most fantasy wizards are not like D&D wizards. Most fantasy wizards are not like each other at all. A wizard from a Conan book is nothing like Gandalf who is nothing like Allanon.But one thing they do all have in common: They are the most powerful people in their world. They are not unbeatable, but they deal in arcane forces that other people cannot emulate or equal in power. They are mysterious and considered dangerous to toy with due to that arcane power. They have a particularly feel that 4E does not capture.The 4E wizard would be laughed at if it tried to rule a kingdom with his weak hit points and limited arcane magic. He is nothing like the wizards I listed.D&D wizards used to have that kind of feel. A D&D wizard was clearly a very powerful and mysterious figure in D&D. You were never sure what they could do. You knew that fighting one as a fighter was going to be extremely difficult and you had better come prepared with your own group of friends and/or items.So it is not the exact literary wizard was I looking for. I was looking for the literary feel of wizards. I have not read many books where wizards are not accounted the most powerful force in a given world where wizards are even included whether it be Lord of the Rings having Gandalf and The Witchking of Angmar, Allanon in The Shannara Series, the wizards in the Harry Dresden series, or the wizards in Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana.The 4E wizard is nothing close to those wizards. He would rarely be feared for his power, much less the fact that any Tom, Dick, and Harry in the campaign world has access to Ritual Casting.So please go reread the entire quote you just tried misrepresent. 4E wizards may represent a different type of wizard, but tey represent no wizard I have ever read about in literature. For those of us who like being like Rand, Gandalf, Allanon as far as characrers go as well as having wizards be main villains in a story that are powerful enough to level armies and challenge parties without needing a ton of hit points, the 4E wizard is not our cup of tea.</blockquote>

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