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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1206917" data-attributes="member: 14225">OK, the rules aren't clear on this point.What it says is that you can duplicate a 4th level Wizard Spell. What it does not say, and this is really important, is what the hell that is supposed to mean:1> Does it mean a spell which could be placed into a 4th level spell slot by a Wizard? That would include sonic substituted fireballs.2> Does it mean a spell which could be placed into a 4th level spell slot by any Wizard? That would include sonic substituted fireballs, and also Chaos Hammer, as Wizards can get access to the Prestige Domain of Chaos and cast Chaos Hammer as a Wizard Spell.3> Does it mean a spell which is 4th level and in the Player's Handbook? That would not include sonic substituted fireballs. It also wouldn't include any of the stuff from Skip Hates Sorcerers or other splat books.4> Does it mean a spell which has been placed into a 4th level spell slot by a Wizard? That would include sonic substituted fireballs, and as soon as Gregori the Wizard invents Gregori's Mindful Clamoring - he'll recieve congratulatory letters from every Illusionist in the campaign world the next day.5> Does it mean a spell which has been placed into a 4th level spell slot by a Wizard that the caster knows about? That would include sonic substituted fireballs in this case only because you watch your friend do them - and pretty much renders the spell into complete garbage that I wouldn't bend over to pick up.6>Does it mean a spell which could be placed into a 4th level spell slot by a hypothetical Wizard? That would include sonic substituted fireballs, and also include Gregori's Mindful Clamoring (or something just like it) even though he hasn't actually written it yet.etc.There are lots of possible interpretations of Shadow Magic. It could be anything from a spell effect which is appropriate for the level to a spell the caster has already seen and it doesn't bother to explain ever.Personally, I've never been in a game where people weren't allowed to cast Sonic Substituted Fireballs - after all you could just put Sonicball into your spellbook in the first place.-Frank</blockquote>

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