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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8230059" data-attributes="member: 177">Sure, but that's a nonsensical statement, because &quot;forever&quot; is not an attainable moment.&nbsp; At any given time, it has finite KE.Moreover, there's going to be a point in that descent in which the object fails to be a classical, or even relativistic object.&nbsp; Long before forever, it will spaghettify into bits that are better described as quantum objects, and that simple classical description will no longer hold.&nbsp; And, eventually, we'd expect that it would cease to be a separate object from the star that collapsed - the quantum objects having gained enough energy to do something like tunneling to the singularity, come into the region where spacetime is more like a quantum foam, or the like - and there's nothing to accelerate any more.The Laws of Thermodynamics only hold for closed systems.&nbsp; The interior of a black hole is certainly open at the event horizon, and may well be open at the singularity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8230059, member: 177"] Sure, but that's a nonsensical statement, because "forever" is not an attainable moment. At any given time, it has finite KE. Moreover, there's going to be a point in that descent in which the object fails to be a classical, or even relativistic object. Long before forever, it will spaghettify into bits that are better described as quantum objects, and that simple classical description will no longer hold. And, eventually, we'd expect that it would cease to be a separate object from the star that collapsed - the quantum objects having gained enough energy to do something like tunneling to the singularity, come into the region where spacetime is more like a quantum foam, or the like - and there's nothing to accelerate any more. The Laws of Thermodynamics only hold for closed systems. The interior of a black hole is certainly open at the event horizon, and may well be open at the singularity. [/QUOTE]

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