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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 6532194" data-attributes="member: 6939">I see you conveniently skipped over several issues... but okay, lets look at theseYeah, no kidding.  Flame Strike and Fireball are also better than the Ranger's Volley.... so what.  I think everyone agrees that the bard is better at casting AoE damage spells than the Ranger is.  Has nothing to do with being a "better archer" Congrats.  Using a 5th level spell to run away does not make the bard a "better archer"... better spell caster, sure...better at running away, no doubt.  But okay, if you are in an area with a lot of fairly large trees, then you could use this 5th level spell to move around or run away.....  not seeing your point, a blink dog is not a very good archer either.Ranger can use Volley just fine at level 11, Swift Quiver is nice, but has no interaction with Volley.I see you have gone down from 9 to 7 castings, and have gone up from lvl 11 to lvl 17... but still don't see how you are getting 7 Conjure Volley.I could see 6 if you want to burn your lvl 6-9 slots on a level 5 spell.  But hell, at that point, just cast fireballs all day... they even scale damage. But in any of these cases... they have nothing to do with being a better *archer*, they are about casting spells for area damage.And lets not forget, by lvl 17 we are talking +2 bow, Hunters Mark, 20 Dex, Sharpshooter.  So the Bard's Conjure Volley has a range of 150 feet, and will do an average of 36 hp, 18 hp on a Dex save.The Ranger has a range of *600* feet, is doing 15 hp per hit, and 25 hp if its worth using the -5+10 aspect.  The ranger can do this each round, every round... not worrying about spell slots.  And can do this all day at 11th level, when the Bard only has at most 3 slots total for Conjure Volley and Tree slide, and swift quiver.And of course, before 10th level, the Bard doesn't have any of these spells.....</blockquote>

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