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<blockquote data-quote="Giant2005" data-source="post: 6837298" data-attributes="member: 6813615"><p>I don't know if it constitutes defying normal CharOp convention or not, but Walock 2/ Eldritch Knight 7/Rogue (Whatever flavor you like) 11, is very powerful. It has enough ASIs to get both Dex and Cha to 20 regardless of your race and doesn't need any feats, but if you want a feat for flavor (and aren't a Variant Human), you can drop a level of Rogue for another level of EK and only lose a little power (Although personally I think the Rogue's level 11 ability is far superior to any feat).</p><p></p><p>The end result is damage comparable to a Raging, Frenzying, Reckless Attacking Barbarian (Barb DPR = 58.005 against AC 18, Rogue/Warlock/EK = 57.025 DPR against AC 18) and doesn't have the drawbacks of Reckless Attack or Frenzy. It also increases in power far more linearly, has more utility via magic and skill-monkeyness, doesn't require limited use abilities, and has the ability to increase its potential even further by gaining Advantage somehow (And Darkness/Devil's Sight makes that easy and increases your DPR to an amazing 73.18875 against AC 18).</p><p>The best progression is to start with Rogue 1, then take 5 levels of EK, then 2 levels of Warlock, then 2 more levels of EK and finish up with Rogue all the way. You also want to ensure that you are a medium sized race. For your first level you want to use a Light Crossbow, for the next 4 upgrade to a Heavy Crossbow, for the next 4 levels use a Longbow, for every level after that you want to use Eldritch Blast + a Heavy Crossbow for your bonus action. Obviously the Archery Fighting Style is your Fighting style of choice, unless you are using UA material - in that case the Close Quarters Shooter Fighting Style is superior due to also affecting your Eldritch Blast.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Giant2005, post: 6837298, member: 6813615"] I don't know if it constitutes defying normal CharOp convention or not, but Walock 2/ Eldritch Knight 7/Rogue (Whatever flavor you like) 11, is very powerful. It has enough ASIs to get both Dex and Cha to 20 regardless of your race and doesn't need any feats, but if you want a feat for flavor (and aren't a Variant Human), you can drop a level of Rogue for another level of EK and only lose a little power (Although personally I think the Rogue's level 11 ability is far superior to any feat). The end result is damage comparable to a Raging, Frenzying, Reckless Attacking Barbarian (Barb DPR = 58.005 against AC 18, Rogue/Warlock/EK = 57.025 DPR against AC 18) and doesn't have the drawbacks of Reckless Attack or Frenzy. It also increases in power far more linearly, has more utility via magic and skill-monkeyness, doesn't require limited use abilities, and has the ability to increase its potential even further by gaining Advantage somehow (And Darkness/Devil's Sight makes that easy and increases your DPR to an amazing 73.18875 against AC 18). The best progression is to start with Rogue 1, then take 5 levels of EK, then 2 levels of Warlock, then 2 more levels of EK and finish up with Rogue all the way. You also want to ensure that you are a medium sized race. For your first level you want to use a Light Crossbow, for the next 4 upgrade to a Heavy Crossbow, for the next 4 levels use a Longbow, for every level after that you want to use Eldritch Blast + a Heavy Crossbow for your bonus action. Obviously the Archery Fighting Style is your Fighting style of choice, unless you are using UA material - in that case the Close Quarters Shooter Fighting Style is superior due to also affecting your Eldritch Blast. [/QUOTE]
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