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<blockquote data-quote="Dark Jezter" data-source="post: 1607300" data-attributes="member: 1015"><p>The war was ended after the UIR armored divisions were thuroughly whipped by a combination of US, Saudi, and Kuwaiti armed forces. The bombing of the Ayatollah who started the war was accomplished with the aid of Russian intelligence services, who gave the United States the location of where he was staying. According to you, though, we should find this concept completely implausable because Hussein and Milosovic (who had the good sense to keep hidden) were more difficult to nab.</p><p></p><p>As buzzard pointed out, you'd think that if you found Clancy's books so horrible you'd simply stop reading them. I simply can't comprehend the "I hate this author/actor/director/music artist, but I'm going to keep monitoring what they produce so I can keep ranting about them" mindset.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now wait just a minute: Didn't you just say that you hadn't read Executive Orders? If so, you probably just have second-hand knowledge of the storyline, which explains your total ignorance on this subject.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only good things happen to the good guys, eh? So I guess that John Clark's (John Kelly at the time) girlfriend being brutally raped and murdered, or Sally Ryan being seriously wounded by an attempted assassination, or Jack Ryan's marriage being nearly destroyed by a smear campaign, or most of the US government heads being killed by a mad JAL pilot don't count?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What campaign? Jack Ryan wasn't elected when he assumed the presidency, and ran unopposed in the following election because the presidential candidates of the two major political parties were killed when the 747 crashed into the Senate. Not much need for campaign contributions when you don't need to run a campaign to get elected.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the Oscar for most nonsensical leftist rant about how rich people are evil and corrupt goes to...</p><p></p><p>No, the reason his staff are stated as being incorrupt is because they have no political ambition. None of them <em>wanted</em> to work for the government, but Jack pressured them into it because he needed people who knew how to get things done. Tom Clancy never states that wealthy people are incorruptable, not once.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that passage is as horribly inaccurate as you make it out to be, at least from my own studies in American history. It is over-simplified, but not something I would dwell on. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, and Aaron Sorkin can write snappy dialogue, if you can ignore the fact that <em>The American President</em> and <em>The West Wing</em> are full of Marvel supervillain-like evil Republicans and fine, upstanding, good-natured Democrats who know what's best for everyone.</p><p></p><p>It's quite obvious that a lot of your venom for Mr. Clancy is coming from the fact that you disagree with his politics, which brings us back to the question: Why keep reading Tom Clancy if you find his books so horrible?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dark Jezter, post: 1607300, member: 1015"] The war was ended after the UIR armored divisions were thuroughly whipped by a combination of US, Saudi, and Kuwaiti armed forces. The bombing of the Ayatollah who started the war was accomplished with the aid of Russian intelligence services, who gave the United States the location of where he was staying. According to you, though, we should find this concept completely implausable because Hussein and Milosovic (who had the good sense to keep hidden) were more difficult to nab. As buzzard pointed out, you'd think that if you found Clancy's books so horrible you'd simply stop reading them. I simply can't comprehend the "I hate this author/actor/director/music artist, but I'm going to keep monitoring what they produce so I can keep ranting about them" mindset. Now wait just a minute: Didn't you just say that you hadn't read Executive Orders? If so, you probably just have second-hand knowledge of the storyline, which explains your total ignorance on this subject. Only good things happen to the good guys, eh? So I guess that John Clark's (John Kelly at the time) girlfriend being brutally raped and murdered, or Sally Ryan being seriously wounded by an attempted assassination, or Jack Ryan's marriage being nearly destroyed by a smear campaign, or most of the US government heads being killed by a mad JAL pilot don't count? What campaign? Jack Ryan wasn't elected when he assumed the presidency, and ran unopposed in the following election because the presidential candidates of the two major political parties were killed when the 747 crashed into the Senate. Not much need for campaign contributions when you don't need to run a campaign to get elected. And the Oscar for most nonsensical leftist rant about how rich people are evil and corrupt goes to... No, the reason his staff are stated as being incorrupt is because they have no political ambition. None of them [i]wanted[/i] to work for the government, but Jack pressured them into it because he needed people who knew how to get things done. Tom Clancy never states that wealthy people are incorruptable, not once. I don't think that passage is as horribly inaccurate as you make it out to be, at least from my own studies in American history. It is over-simplified, but not something I would dwell on. Yeah, and Aaron Sorkin can write snappy dialogue, if you can ignore the fact that [i]The American President[/i] and [i]The West Wing[/i] are full of Marvel supervillain-like evil Republicans and fine, upstanding, good-natured Democrats who know what's best for everyone. It's quite obvious that a lot of your venom for Mr. Clancy is coming from the fact that you disagree with his politics, which brings us back to the question: Why keep reading Tom Clancy if you find his books so horrible? [/QUOTE]
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