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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5062122" data-attributes="member: 85158">Unless the person I'm casting it on has all good saves and an 18 in Con, Wis, and Dex, I'm pretty sure he'll be vulnurable to at least one high level spell targeting his saves. Or we could just use a no save just suck spell.[quote[or magic missile, which always works (except against shielded mages and PC's with that dang scarab) and always does damage?</blockquote>Magic Missile does low damage and is best reserved for emergencies, incoporeals, and cheesing up with metamagic.Spells that are not Magic Missile and would be good to cast on an assassin who just tumbled up would be: Solid Fog. Wall of Force. Wall of Ice. Wall of Stone. Sleet Storm. Stinking Cloud. I could go on.<a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/forums/profiler/view_char.php?cid=33853" target="_blank">I raise you an example build of core only caster who will get along just fine after you tumble up to him and probably put a dent in your day.</a> (Power level is probably  medium-low)Note that the save DC of a level 5 spell is 22. Either a Heightened Stinking Cloud or Heightened Glitterdust will ruin your day unless you roll a 16 or higher (so, 75% of doing something bad to you). Admittedly, an NPC won't have as much equipment as this character, so let's look at the save DC without items. It would be 20, which means there's a 65% of you failing a save... still pretty high.Or I could just separate us with a Wall of Stone and cast Greater Invisibility and/or Mirror Image and/or Fly, if I haven't had those up beforehand. I believe it's hard for a monk/rogue to attack a flying, invisible target? (Potions/items of Fly and See Invisibility are available, but easily dispelled)[/QUOTE]

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