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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9360917" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Oh no arguments about how miserable it is to play a Thief if the rules are being fully employed.&nbsp; I've commented about that at length elsewhere on the forum, and I usually have old-school players try to argue with me that no, really, all Thieves were 100% invisible backstabbing machines that destroyed everyone in their games, lol.So it turns out I was wrong, there are other hidden class abilities.&nbsp; Gary goes on for about half a page in the DMG about how &quot;Only clerics, excluding druids, are able to prepare holy water&quot; and the process is so intensive I wish I could go back in time and remind him that I can just buy vials of the stuff for 25 gp according to the PHB.Also spell research is another &quot;hidden&quot; ability, discussed in the usual &quot;treat players like they are entitled, spoiled children who need some learnin'&quot; Gygaxian prose, as follows:[ATTACH=full]365403[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]365404[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9360917, member: 6877472"] Oh no arguments about how miserable it is to play a Thief if the rules are being fully employed. I've commented about that at length elsewhere on the forum, and I usually have old-school players try to argue with me that no, really, all Thieves were 100% invisible backstabbing machines that destroyed everyone in their games, lol. So it turns out I was wrong, there are other hidden class abilities. Gary goes on for about half a page in the DMG about how "Only clerics, excluding druids, are able to prepare holy water" and the process is so intensive I wish I could go back in time and remind him that I can just buy vials of the stuff for 25 gp according to the PHB. Also spell research is another "hidden" ability, discussed in the usual "treat players like they are entitled, spoiled children who need some learnin'" Gygaxian prose, as follows:[ATTACH type="full"]365403[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]365404[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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