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Message: <blockquote data-quote="oreofox" data-source="post: 7611212" data-attributes="member: 6776240">I can agree with those who say it didn't look like D&D. Pathfinder looked more like D&D to me than 4e did. Every time I wanted to give 4e a shot, I'd crack open the PHB and then close it about a minute later. I, personally, couldn't get past how it was presented. From reading forums, there's a lot of things 4e did that sounded great. I honestly really enjoyed the minion thing, and wish 5e would have brought that back (which I did, but would have been nice for a more official thing. Though I changed the HP to 4 instead of 1. They still die in 1 hit, though). The whole "role" thing like striker, leader, brute, artillery, etc just really put me off, and sounded like they were trying to capitalize on the MMORPG boom with the whole tank/dps/healer crap (not trying to call 4e an MMORPG, but the whole role thing screamed that to me). I do like the elite/solo strength monsters, and I assume the legendary and lair actions of some monsters is supposed to represent that in 5e? Again, I don't know much about 4e, so not sure.Was 4e a bad edition? No, it objectively was not. It did seem to wane in popularity quite quickly, being officially supported for only 4 years (2008 until 2012 when Next playtest was announced, and I think they stopped making books about that time?). It was a bad edition for me, though. I feel that way about Pathfinder now, but that's only because of the actions of many players I had the misfortune of playing with that killed the system for me. 5e came at the exact perfect time for me.</blockquote>

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