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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoutonRustique" data-source="post: 7215432" data-attributes="member: 22362">But even then, I'd argue that [Kobold Hall] is a "bad" 4e adventure : it's patterned on the "one room = one encounter" that so easily leads to the "slog" that 4e is often remarked on (and often, rightly so - because of this structure).As a fun delve, an almost boardgame evening, yeah! It's really fun! But as an introduction, a learning experience, I feel it's teaching many bad habits.IMOThe Bad- linear room progression- one room, one fight (or rp encounter, but still...)- little to no plot or world-building (especially world-building, so important, so difficult to grasp, so few good examples)The Good!- dynamic encounters with a mix of adversaries- use of terrain and traps to enhance an encounter- a good difficulty setting- kobolds! (I love those little bastards)- a good example on how variants on the "same" creature goes a long wayEven with all these good points, the [one room, one fight] thing is so high on my list of things to kill that I have to give it a failing grade...hehehe - no worries on the hyperbole, I love me some good hyperboling! (well, depends on the situation really, but yours was in good faith: that's the best kind. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> )But we might be seeing things a bit differently (which, you know, "sometimes" happens in forums <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). What I was envisioning was more along the lines of you wanting a few monsters to be really nasty, super dangerous, PCs fear these creatures kind of situation. The fact that these powers throw the encounter building tools for a loop is kind of the point, no? Of course these are things that aren't supposed to be thrown around willy-nilly, that's why we're building them! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> How they are used is of utmost importance. These are meant as much as world-building blocks, plot elements, as they are opposition.In this case, I estimate that you can get away with about 20 powers (or a lot less) which you would apply when appropriate :petrify (medusa, basilisk, cockatrice) - death gaze (bodak) - death breath (catoblepas, basilisk) - eye rays (beholder)"level drain" (wights, specters) - something else I'm not thinking about right nowGive us a list and we can work on building something you like! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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