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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3952419" data-attributes="member: 29014">You mean you'd want to spend all 11 bonus feats on skill focuses?&nbsp; Well, I could see myself approving the version where the bonus feats had to be Rogue-based, not Fighter-based, I just didn't think you wanted quite that many skill focuses.&nbsp;You can also just not Sneak Attack.&nbsp; The Sneak Attack description says you 'can' do it.&nbsp; You can also choose not to activate it.&nbsp; Seriously, the 'I want to build my character with X class only, but I refuse to have Y class ability of X class on my sheet' complaint I've seen come up a few times, and it mystifies me completely.&nbsp; If you can't reflavour it to fit your needs (and I made a suggestion for that above, another suggestion is to call it 'Crossbow Sniper' and let it be a damage bonus due to aim), just don't use it.&nbsp; I think we need to consider the variant in light of its intended purpose, rather than an edge case where someone can purposefully build exactly opposite to the intended purpose, since if we allow this and anyone except your cohort uses it, you'd better bet that they're not likely to be another edge case.The solution to making a non-combat stealth-focused Rogue is not to approve a more-combat version of the Rogue and then hope that every player will tiptoe around that by taking passive feats like Iron Will.&nbsp; The solution is to make a variant that is a non-combat stealth-focused Rogue.&nbsp; I proposed one above, and I don't really understand how your complaint can't be levied against regular Rogue and the feat Rogue too (with a vengeance because the feat Rogue isn't even trying to go in the direction we want, in fact attempting the opposite).&nbsp; To wit:The core Rogue already had one set of abilities in that place--Sneak Attack.Here's where I could turn that around: &quot;The weird thing about the feat Rogue is that I start to wonder just why this particular rogue variant has so many options, while a sneak attack rogue can't take any of them.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3952419, member: 29014"] You mean you'd want to spend all 11 bonus feats on skill focuses? Well, I could see myself approving the version where the bonus feats had to be Rogue-based, not Fighter-based, I just didn't think you wanted quite that many skill focuses. You can also just not Sneak Attack. The Sneak Attack description says you 'can' do it. You can also choose not to activate it. Seriously, the 'I want to build my character with X class only, but I refuse to have Y class ability of X class on my sheet' complaint I've seen come up a few times, and it mystifies me completely. If you can't reflavour it to fit your needs (and I made a suggestion for that above, another suggestion is to call it 'Crossbow Sniper' and let it be a damage bonus due to aim), just don't use it. I think we need to consider the variant in light of its intended purpose, rather than an edge case where someone can purposefully build exactly opposite to the intended purpose, since if we allow this and anyone except your cohort uses it, you'd better bet that they're not likely to be another edge case. The solution to making a non-combat stealth-focused Rogue is not to approve a more-combat version of the Rogue and then hope that every player will tiptoe around that by taking passive feats like Iron Will. The solution is to make a variant that is a non-combat stealth-focused Rogue. I proposed one above, and I don't really understand how your complaint can't be levied against regular Rogue and the feat Rogue too (with a vengeance because the feat Rogue isn't even trying to go in the direction we want, in fact attempting the opposite). To wit: The core Rogue already had one set of abilities in that place--Sneak Attack. Here's where I could turn that around: "The weird thing about the feat Rogue is that I start to wonder just why this particular rogue variant has so many options, while a sneak attack rogue can't take any of them." [/QUOTE]

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